The following is a guest post by Shelley Lubben. Shelley, an ex-porn star, was the founder and president of The Pink Cross Foundation from 20082016.Through the Pink Cross, Shelley was a missionary to the sex industry, reaching out to adult industry workers offering emotional, financial, and transitional support for those who want out of porn. Her heart was to share the truth about porn and expose the darkness of it.
Chatsworth, California produces 85% of the world’s adult content. All of the top female talent agencies are located in or within the Chatsworth local radius. Female performers are flown or fly to Chatsworth to work in the adult industry. All of the world’s top male talents live or travel to Chatsworth California for work. Every major and minor adult DVD Company is in the local Chatsworth radius.
The California pornography industry is a destructive, drug-infested, abusive, and sexually diseased industry that causes severe negative secondary effects on female and male adult industry workers as well as the general public. I am confident of the above because not only was I a stripper, pornographic performer, and escort in the California pornography industry from 1986 to 1994, but I have also counseled with or spoken to over 300 female and male workers in the pornography industry as well as those struggling with pornography addiction.
I have been working with adult industry workers since 2002, when I began volunteering as a teacher and counselor at local rescue missions and prisons in the State of California. I have worked at Madera Rescue Mission, Bakersfield Rescue Mission, Central California Women’s Facility Prison, and Valley State Prison for Women and have traveled throughout the United States as a speaker and counselor on the negative effects of pornography at various churches, recovery programs, and secular organizations.
General Statistics on the Porn Industry
In my daily work of assisting women and men recovering from the pornography industry, as well as those struggling with pornography addiction and gathering research over a period of several years, I have learned significant facts to prove that indeed the California pornography industry is causing severe secondary negative effects on adult industry workers as well as the general public, which is involuntarily exposed to pornography, especially children, whose average age of first internet exposure to pornography is 11 years old.
According to pornography statistics:
- It is estimated that there are 4.2 million porn websites—12% of the total amount of sites—allowing access to 72 million worldwide visitors monthly.
- One-quarter of the total daily search engine requests, or 68 million, are for pornographic material, where 40 million Americans are regular visitors.
- According to comScore Media Metrix, 71.9 million people visited adult sites in August 2005, reaching 42.7 percent of the internet audience.
- The United States adult film industry produces 4,000–11,000 films a year and earns an estimated $9–$13 billion in gross revenues annually.
- An estimated 200 production companies employ 1,200–1,500 performers. Performers typically earn $400–$1,000 per shoot and are not compensated based on distribution or sales.
- Lobbyist Bill Lyon told 60 Minutes that the porn industry employs 12,000 people in California and pays the state $36 million in taxes per year. When 60 Minutes first spoke to Lyon, he was running the free speech coalition, a trade organization that represents 900 companies in the porn business.
Porn Workers Frequently Receive STDs
Adult film performers engage in prolonged and repeated sexual acts with multiple sexual partners over short periods of time, creating ideal conditions for transmission of HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs). All the more concerning, high-risk sex acts are on the rise.
At the same time, condom use is reportedly low in heterosexual adult films—approximately 17% for adult performers. In 2004, only two of the 200 adult film companies required the use of condoms. Performers report that they are required to work without condoms to maintain employment.
These practices lead to high transmission rates of STDs and occasionally HIV among performers. After four performers contracted HIV in 1998, Sharon Mitchell, a former adult film performer, founded Adult Industry Medical, a clinic to counsel and screen performers monthly for HIV.
The current practice of periodic HIV and STD testing may detect some diseases early but often fails to prevent transmission. In April 0f 2004, three performers who had been compliant with monthly screening contracted HIV. At that time, a male performer who had tested HIV negative only three days earlier infected three of 14 female performers.
What the Performers Say About STDs
In statements I have received from females and males working in the pornography industry and those who previously worked in the industry, at least 80% admit to catching an STD while working in the California pornography industry.
- I personally caught the non-curable disease Genital Herpes in 1994 and was not given any information or help from porn producers or the adult industry.
- Jan Meza, a former porn actress who left the porn industry in October 2007, publicly shared of late that she discovered she has Herpes. She is totally devastated in that she caught a non-curable disease.
- Belladonna, a well-known pornographic performer states: “99% of the porn industry has herpes.”
- One male pornographic performer, Rocco, 600 films and 3,000 women later, says: “Every professional in the porn-world has herpes, male or female.”
- Tanya Burleson, formerly known as Jersey Jaxin, caught Chlamydia her first year working. She exclaimed, while speaking with me, “I don’t believe I worked with one person who didn’t at one time have an STD.” Tanya made over 200 movies in her three-year career. She also says, “Performers have to pay for their own testing, their medicine, and lose at least eight days of work every time they catch a sexually transmitted disease.”
Sexually transmitted diseases are highly prevalent in the pornography industry. Among 825 porn performers screened in 2000–2001, 7.7% of females and 5.5% of males had Chlamydia and 2% overall had gonorrhea. Dr. Sharon Mitchell confirms the STD prevalence in an interview with Court TV, in which she states: “66% of porn performers have herpes, 12-28% have sexually transmitted diseases and 7% have HIV.”
Why Some Porn Stars Also Work at Escort Services
Pornographic performers and adult industry workers also often engage in prostitution through escort agencies such as Body Miracle, Dreamgirls, and Porno Star Escorts, where they not only risk sexually transmitted disease but also HIV and hepatitis C infection.
Pornographic performers usually prefer escorting because the pay is much higher and sex acts are not as degrading or physically demanding. They receive approximately $100 an hour for working in pornographic films or $1500 an hour for escorting. Adult industry workers who are also pornographic performers get paid higher than other adult escorts due to their celebrity status and can book 2-3 hour appointments and make approximately $3000 a day. Agents also lie to women in the adult industry and lure them into prostitution. Porn performer Erin Moore says, “Some agents lie to the girls and tell them they are shooting a scene when instead they set up prostitution acts for them.”
While I was a pornographic performer in 1993-94, I was flown to different parts of the United States by porn companies where consumers of pornography sometimes paid me thousands of dollars to spend a weekend with them where we engaged in unprotected sex. During one appointment with a man and his wife, we engaged in unprotected sex and I passed the disease to both of them. Pornographic performers and adult industry workers definitely spread sexually transmitted diseases to the general public.
The Prevalence of Drug Abuse in the Porn Industry
Another secondary negative effect of the adult industry is the exposure to drugs and drug addiction. Porn actress Erin Moore admits, “The drugs we binged on were Ecstasy, Cocaine, Marijuana, Xanax, Valium, Vicodin, and alcohol.”
Tanya Burleson, formerly known as Jersey Jaxin, says, “Guys are punching you in the face. You get ripped. Your insides can come out of you. It’s never-ending. You’re viewed as an object—not as a human with a spirit. People do drugs because they can’t deal with the way they’re being treated.”
One male porn star says on his blog on January 28, 2008:
“Drugs are a major, major problem in my business. Anyone who says otherwise is lying to you. I can’t tell you the number of girls who have disappeared and dropped out of the business because of their drug problems. It is unbelievably sad to think about, and seeing some of them fall into a downward spiral hurts me more than others. But I think we all can agree that a huge majority of drug users will never change unless they get professional help.
I have seen all manner of drugs on set, at parties, in cars, everywhere. If I had to guess, I would put marijuana use at 90% of ALL people involved in the industry (performers, directors, crew, agents, drivers, owners, office workers, etc.).
I have been on a set where a girl has passed out during a sex scene with me (she was abusing oxycontin). Just recently a girl overdosed on GHB (a party drug that is a clear odorless drug that doesn’t mix well with alcohol) on set. I have seen a girl win a prestigious AVN Award, not show up to accept the award, and then fall into the throes of drug use that caused her to lose at least 50 pounds and drop off the face of the earth.
Why is drug use so prevalent in our business? Well, let’s figure that out.
First of all, remember that the business is populated largely with girls aged 18-21. And the majority of those girls are uneducated (many haven’t graduated high school). Add to that the fact that many come into the business because they have no money and are working at menial jobs like fast food places. So you have young girls who are uneducated with very little money entering the business.
Once they are in the business, they are now making ten thousand dollars a month and working maybe five hours a day 10-15 days a month. There are predators out there that can smell these girls and prey on them like sharks. Young, uneducated girls with lots of money, lots of free time, and very little supervision. This is a really bad equation (unless you are a drug dealer of course).”
All Porn Industry Workers Experience Abuse
In addition to prevalent drug use, degradation and abuse are rampant in the pornography industry. In one study, 100% of the strippers reported some kind of verbal or physical abuse on their jobs.
Verbal abuse by customers is extremely common with 91% reporting incidents. They were routinely called degrading names.
Besides the verbal abuse, all endured some type of physical abuse on the job. Despite the fact that it is illegal to touch a stripper, strippers reported that customers:
- Grabbed them by the arm (88%)
- Grabbed their breast (73%)
- Grabbed their buttock (91%)
- Pulled their hair (27%)
- Pinched them (58%)
- Slapped them (24%)
- Bit them (36%)
The strippers are often attacked in front of the strip club bodyguards and other audience members.
Former pornographic performer Alex Devine shares her violent experience and writes:
“Donkey Punch was the most brutal, depressing, scary scene that I have ever done. I have tried to block it out of my memory due to the severe abuse I received during the filming. The guy, Steve French, has a natural hatred towards women in the sense that he has always been known to be more brutal than EVER needed. I agreed to do the scene thinking it was less beating, except the ‘punch’ in the head. If you noticed, Steve had worn his solid gold ring the entire time and continued to punch me with it. I actually stopped the scene while it was being filmed because I was in too much pain.”
There is a very heavy emphasis on rougher, more sadistic sex, with slapping, spitting, violent hair-pulling, and scenes of extremely abusive hardcore sex acts. In one film, the man forces the woman’s head into a toilet during the final scene, a technique that seems to help him achieve climax.
Safe Workplace Laws Aren’t Enforced in California
In California, every employer is required to ensure that employees have a safe working environment. In 1973, the California Occupational Safety and Health Act was enacted to assure safe and healthful working conditions for all California working men and women by authorizing the enforcement of effective standards, assisting and encouraging employers to maintain safe and healthful working conditions, and by providing research, information, education, training, and enforcement in the field of occupational safety and health.
Employers in the California porn industry are required to provide a safe and healthful workplace for employees, even pay the costs of a health and safety program, and yet this is not the standard in the adult industry.
Currently, employers in the California pornography industry completely ignore the laws of the State of California to protect adult industry workers. This causes severe secondary negative effects on workers by subjecting them to physical and emotional abuse, major degradation and violence, illegal drugs, sexually transmitted diseases, and entrapment into prostitution. This is the standard of the California pornography industry. Any adult industry employer or worker who tells you differently is blatantly lying and does not value human life, but is rather destroying human life for the gluttonous love of money.
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Shelley, remind everyone of the story about how you had Herpes but were cured through prayer and religious healing. That is inspiring and I think useful for everyone to understand where you are coming from.
I just have to say if you think God cured someone of herpes you are a complete idiot.
@Dan – Unless you’re saying God doesn’t exist, I’m not sure why it would be all that hard for the creator of the universe to cure herpes.
god doesnt help anyone, he puts oppurtunities in front of you. then he chooses at the end what your fate is. there is no cure for herpes just a simple pill that hides your breakouts, not make it completely vanish away.
Hi T.J. You’re making some pretty bold theological claim there. Care to tell us where you’re getting your information about God?
@Luke… Yes T.J. is making a bold theological statement here… As are you though… When and where exactly did you see people being CURED from herpes by the will of God or otherwise?
Other than that T.J. is correct…
i am not surprise at those who doubt God,bcos blindness covers their eyes.read luke 18 vrs 27.At the right time God does all things beautiful,lets trust God,for there is nothing greater than him.thanks
ENOUGH ABOUT GOD. Its about man and their decisions. About how this ex-pornstar is speaking out about the corrupt and damaging system that is the industry. NOT RELIGION. Herpes do NOT HAVE A CURE only can be masked. If she was truely cured then they weren’t HERPES. GOOD GRIEF. U guys are so pathedic. TALK ABOUT THE TRUE ISSUE AS TO Y THE BLOG WAS CREATED NOT GOD OR RELIGION. U want to talk about god go to ur churchs blog u bunch of fools
Hi T Skee, the blog’s authors are all Christians presenting information for a Christian point of view. To say this was not created for God or religion is incorrect.
Luke,
Sorry sir but ur incorrect. Just because the authors are christian does not mean the basis of this blog is. Cause as I understand it isn’t cause if it was she woulda put something like that in the begining of which she didn’t. Besides the others are getting carried away with it. This isn’t and yet like I siad before has not a dagblasted thing to do with religion. They are trying to make it that. Talk about that on ur churchs blog not here. This is about how the adult industry and how it can and does destroy lives of both the performers and their families and friends. So yet again I say. Religion hasn’t got ANYTHING to do with it. And by the way I wasn’t referencing you personally earlier I am simply speaking generally.
T Skee – I thought when you said “blog” you meant the entire website (the collection of all the posts), not this specific post. My apologies. When I hear “blog” I don’t think just one article.
Only from your perspective does religion have nothing to do with this. For the person who believes God is the creator of all things and the true master of their life, a spiritual perspective is central to any topic. You might disagree with that, but the fact remains many people read and comment on this blog from that perspective. They will bring in their own presuppositions to a conversation just like you bring in your own.
You find it annoying that people bring God into every conversation. I agree there is such a thing as tact and well-spoken arguments, but the fact remains that the whole article is written by a Christian woman who is described in the first paragraph as a “missionary” to the sex industry, with a link to her website with a very Christian message. To say the Christian perspective is alien to this article is completely unfounded.
I will say, however, that I agree that I would love it if there was more conversation here about the specifics of the article itself, regardless of a person’s spiritual affiliation. I would love to talk more about industry responsibility and personal responsibility. I would love to see more conversation about the harms done to performers. I would love to see how knowledge of these harms impacts the ethical questions about using pornography.
im christian watch ziegiest the movie if u have an open mind and dont just ignore oposing opinions just because they arent wat u believe a smart person looks at all points of view before making a decision Luke 6:37
[ Judging Others ] “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
Dan :you need understand that God is real and that pornography is very satanic…..
I believe it…that God healed her!!! Shes is doing Gods work and it is amazing!!!! Shelley I am a child of God as well and i am so thankful for you because i HATE the porn industry and i want the truth to be revealed because the world is confused and in denial….women and girls are believing that it is “cool” to abuse their bodys and it hurts me because thats not how God wants us to live. He loves us.
P.S God healed me when i was a child from severe eczema that made my skin crack and bleed. So yes, i know he healed you! God bless girl! I got ur back, im praying for you!
im going to have to agree with dan. if ur so called god cured one person then why wouldnt he cure everybody that asks. its not possible and there is no cure
pete – Your question is not about what is “possible” but about what God is willing to do. These are really different questions. One is about what God is capable of (and since he created the universe, he’s capable of a whole lot). The other is about God’s character: why does he do what he does? We don’t answer that second question by conjecture. The only way we would know what kind of God the Creator is is if He revealed himself in some way to humanity. This, by the way, is exactly what Christians like Shelley Lubben claim He did through the person of Jesus Christ.
theres no such thing as god dumb people made it up thousands of years ago you know like how the world was flat… your born you live you die i believe your mind just goes into a never ending dream..now herpes is real haha
bob – Interesting theory. Any evidence to support your ideas?
Faith = Belief.
Belief is the psychological state in which an individual holds a proposition or premise to be true.
Belief does not = fact.
Funny thing about Chinese whispers,, sorry i mean the Bible. The Bible is a bunch of stories spoken by Arabs, then written by Arabs, distributed by force by the Romans, then later by the Spaniards, to be finally butchered by the west.
See here is were the problem lies, you have the 3 big companies seeking your hard earned dollar and soul. Christianity, Islam & Judaism, and their big selling point is fear, and their top product, the Quran, the Torah and the Bible were written by extremely high Arabs a couple of centuries ago.
Now if these same Arabs came back now and wrote a book, you would not live, breathe and preach it, nor even read it the same way you read the Bible or follow your faith. You probably go as far as think, “terrorists have time to write books!”.
If they came back to preach, they would be persecuted and killed like Vernon Wayne Howell aka David Koresh.
Ok, hypothetically speaking, if god did cure Shelley`s STD, then god is a callous, sadistic, arrogant prick. Why should god select a few people and cure them from a work place related illness like, herpes. Then to turn around and place worms in a little boys eyes from the only source of water he has access to, which he will painfully go blind over time, is bullshit.
And so is the saying,”its a miracle, see god was with you” when someone is cured or my favourite “god works in mysteries ways” when someone fubar.
BTW when l die, l will be going to place called………….
Hi Legion. You’ve said a lot here. Care to back up anything you’ve said?
oh yeah i forgot to say. l love porn.
And all industries have bad sides to them, remember Exxon Valdez or BP incidents. And l bet you still use there products.
I love that Shelley is putting herself out there helping the unfortunate victims of the porn industry, and she needs more help, especially from the porn industry and government.
But for the love of your god, keep the religious views out of this issue. It will end up tainting and over shadowing Shelley`s main objective.
Porn will never ever go away, so everyone involved needs to sit down and find a manageable working solution.
Hi Legion. Your comment betrays your ignorance about Shelley. She regularly mixes her faith with this issue. The comments here that bring in faith or the Bible are simply following her lead in the matter.
you guy need to focus on the main topic here wich is por and the affects that it has on your life not the holy man not god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
God can heal anything. He heals people, speaks to people and leads them, those who listen to Him.
So ” Dan” who wrote this:”… you think God cured someone of herpes you are a complete idiot.” doesn’t really know what he is talking about!
But by God’s grace your eyes can be opened and see what you have never expected in your life.
ive read quite a few statistics that said pornstars are actually 89% less likely to carry any std than a “regular” person
Hi Yoyo Ma,
Not sure about that. I’d love to read the source. One study I found concluded that porn actresses were more likely to have had sex at an earlier age, had more sexual partners, were more concerned about contracting a sexually transmitted disease. You can find that study here.
God do miracle only for those who believe and accepted Jesus Christ as his savior…
God is every where……. secondly God help those who help them
I start watching porn at age of 13, after i reach my puberty, due to friends influences. Somehow, the porn makes me masturbates myself, i met my ex-scandal at the age of 19 n that is my first real sex.its might sound weird, but i was acting like a pornstar back then with all the screaming, yawning, naughty words, it even shocked him when i requested different style, which is odd for a first timer.i get more addicted toporn nowadays after my relationship with him over. Now i dont really seek replacements, because i felt that normal man cant satisfy my lust like how the male pornstar do..i am expecting them to act like how the male pornstar did..am i weird?
No. You aren’t “weird” given you exposure to porn at a young age. Pornography has now shaped your sexual tastes and in a most unfortunate way. The good news is that your mind can be rewired and changed back.
when you believe trust and give your life to jesus and place your hope, faith and trust in God he surely comes to your rescue i say this with experience. God won’t exist to you if you think He ain’t around but He is always their waiting for you to come to him like a child running to a parent for help and He sure does help
While reading through some of these comments, I am even more convinced that pornography addiction distorts ones perceptions, beliefs, and moral compass. It’s amazing how the addiction can be so deeply rooted, that one becomes hostile, and avoids confronting the truth about their addiction by creating distractions or deflecting (anything to change the topic). It’s ridiculous that the real point of this article has been minimized just because someone didn’t want to confront the pain their addiction inflicts, and successfully derailed the topic. There are opinions and then there are facts. One does not have to agree, or acknowledge, in order for a fact to be true. Some do not believe there is a God b/c they have never seen Him, or evidence to support the belief that God does exist. My response to that is, we all have a heart and other organs and we never doubt there existence just b/c we have never see them. Why would you believe something exist without ever seeing it, yet refuse to believe that the complexity of the inside of a human body, didn’t involve a Creator? My point is, it is very plausible that The One who designed and created genitals, has the power to heal them anytime He wants to. Just because you want to put limitations on the power of God, His power and love still remain limitless. Now, to get back on track with the point of this article. God also designed and created sex. The design of man and a woman’s genitalia to come together as one unit did not happen by chance or accident. The One and only Creator came up with the idea, designed, and created everything needed for sex. God came up with a beautiful idea, that is meant to be a gift that a husband and wife give to each other. It strengthens the bond between a husband and wife, and is physical example of the oneness a husband and wife should have together. But, unfortunately, Satan has distorted and tainted what God created to be a beautiful gift shared only between husband and wife. Satan is alive and well, and he wants to destroy all that God has created…that includes you, me, and everyone else (including the human beings in porn). The people you see on your screen is someone’s daughter or son. At some point in there life, Satan convinced them that their value was based on letting others violate their body and innocence (physically,visually, and mentally). The reality is that most (if not all) of the females you see in porn have been sexually abused in their childhood. They could name a list of people who used and violated their innocent little bodies, for sexual pleasure. Everytime you watch porn, your name is added to the list of people who have violated her.
what man can do is very minimal but GOD does miracles to those who believe in him on a regular basis
this is evil…get out of forever
It’s a spiritual thing. When one engages or attempts reproductive acts with another we are designed to bond with the other for the benefit of the child that might be born. Pornography is a warping of human relationships of man and woman and it results in a warping of the human mind, especially for those engaging with the industry.
Shelley,Jesus Christ richly bless you for accepting to be one of his few labourers in the pornographic industry.Keep up the good work of spreading the good news to our beloved prodigal siblings of Jesus Christ.Some of us are very proud of you and your team.The Lord Elohim will always stir our spirits to pray for you.
God bless you.
The question is not that God heals her, its obvious.but the real question is
Do you know your God?
Christians dont know their True God and will go to hell.and abide therein forever.
Alas for them they never think to use their minds.they only follow the path of their parents and their misled priests.
I’d have more pity for them if they all used protection in all there videos and practiced monogamy. Their problem not mine.
God doesn’t exist.
Show me any tests performed under scientific conditions where ‘god’ cured anyone’s disease – or say – made somebody’s leg grow back.
This doesn’t happen – it’s why we have double blind scientific trials and modern medicine.
If you are in a serious car crash or have a bad disease – do you go to the church or the hospital?
The bible is a load of nonsense made up by goat herders who didn’t know what soap was – discard it.
Hey Bob,
You might be interested in this article from The Gottman Institute, not written from a religious perspective, but rather from the perspective of what happens in a relationship when porn is used frequently.
Ha ha ha hilarious
Bob my guy God is there and he will forever be.If there was no God there would be no Satan coz He is the opposite of God ey.And porn is one of Satans bad inventions coz he knows w
e are to nahive and have hormones that would supposively help hos plans to work well as Jesus” days of coming back are near
im humbled
my wife,wont be doing porn,
The fool has said in his heart there is no God there are corrupt they have done abominable works,There is who does good. The Lord look down from heaven upon the children of men to see if there are any who understand who seek God they have all turned aside together become corrupt there is none who it does good no not one. Psalm 14
Dan , the Creator of the Universe can cure anything if it”s His will.
T Skee, I.will pray for you. Please let go of your pride
😀🙏🙏👍☝️JESUS is the only ANSWER.
Brother Luke , I love the way you respond to critics of Christianity , we can only pray for them that they come to a saving knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. And yes , porn is straight from the Liar and Deceiver , Satan. But JESUS has already defeated him , Praise God !!!
Praying and believing your herpes have been healed by God without seeking scientific evidence to support your belief, is a sure fire way to pass it on to your wife and husband, etc. If you are convinced you are healed make sure to see a doctor to run the appropriate tests to clear you.
It would be criminally negligent to proceed with sexual activity and know of a potential harm to your spouse.
Thank you, Rafael. You are 100% correct. Medical treatment is necessary.
Well, God is above science and discovery. we used our knowledge to think there is no cure when God has the cure to herpes. he is supreme and our knowledge is nothing and will never be anything in the sight of God.
Porn and it’s periphery are absolutely sinful and terrible. You should not be giving this woman the time of day though. She is a con woman, and her “Pink Cross Foundation” was a scam.
Please continue to fight porn,
Check your sources though!
Isaiah 45:7. He creates both. Does light have meaning without darkness? Yahweh does not cure herpes like some magic leprechaun. Who do you think created it?
Thank you for this article. There is a darker element to the porn industry that people don’t really realize. Slowly but surely, certain things are creeping into the mainstream.
“Extreme is the new hardcore” one performer once said.
Where is it heading?
sHELLY lUBBAN …………..IAM FROM PAKISTAN
I REALLY ADMIRE, SALUTE YOU FOR BEING A WOMAN OF BRAVERY ,DIGNITY . DOING SOME THING THE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN DOING SOME THING GOOD FOR OTHERS WOULD RESPECT YOU FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING……
MY QUESTION IS ,
wHY DO NOT YOU LAUNCH CAMPAIGNS TO MAKE AWARE THE PORN STARS FOR SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASES INDEED?
I SHALL WAIT FOR YOUR RESPONSE……
.
Wow here we r suppose to be talkin about how the industry is damaging to the performers and their families. And U PINHEADS turn it into a religious agrument. I do believe in god but this has nothing to do with it. Religion doesn’t rule everything y can’t u guys get that and get ur heads back on topic good grief
This is so interesting.
So God is arrogant by not curing all d ppl who hv STDs n in fact everyother diseases in the world. Ok. Buh what do I call ppl hu wld rather spend money on porn than help the needy? Or pay prostitutes such huge amounts than to donate d money to a child desperately in need of a life saving surgery. U ppl r all here talkn bout hw God either don’t exist or is plain wicked. When we humans cannot use out of their resource to help fellow humans. Fools. While ur busy buying porn, sm1 not far from u is hungry or has bills to pay. So u should b allowed to sit n watch porn or hv fun wif a ho wyl God should go about healing ppl. Human beings r d wicked ones. God ddnt put us in d mess we made. It wasn’t like dis from d beginning. So leave him out of dis!
We,i was about Joining.but am now Confused
What were you thinking of joining? Being a member of Covenant Eyes?
I truly hope this lady is the real deal.my gut tells me she is.to often like athletes an concussions the players don’t care till they are too old ..they take the money then cry later when not wanted.most men shouldn’t even use computer when wife isn’t in the house,it’s just to tempting.hey,we are guys full of testosterone.only best countermeasure is God..
God has a reason for everything. I use to think God doesn’t want me to have fun, but that is Not true. I am good at self-destruction . Some people are more Blessed than anothers .
I have just started a sex addiction outpatient program. abstinant now 105 days. Thank you for your insight into my addiction. My addiction is rooted in dilusion. I want to know reality. What you write is stuff that will keep me in reality no matter what the cost and that will return me to sanity.
I just wanted to say that this exposure of the depravity of the porn industry, and the abuse of women in the industry is amazing. I believe that many christians have labeled female porn stars as guilty and this article along with several others shows how much pain and agony these women face, and also how desperation and lies put them in these positions. I hope and pray that this exposure will one day put a stop to the porn industry and all it stands for.
why is this all about god?
porn industry will never be shutdown because of how much taxes they pay, same with medical marijuana.
pornstars wont stop making porn because its easy money.
I don’t get those who strongly say bad things about God. Those who contract STDs and all that crap put themselves in those situations, God never asked them to. He will only help you if you go to Him. He’s always waiting for you, never forces His help unto people. And all those with huge mouths should watch what they say. God is Real today, tomorrow and forever no matter how much you don’t want Him to be.
$400-1000 to have sex and up to $3000 for a few hours having sex? whats she complaing about beats working on a oil rig for less pay much more dangerous??
But oil rig workers aren’t degraded beyond recognition. They are forced to do despicable sexual acts. It’s better to die a good person than live as a monster. Are you forced to put a mans genitals in ur mouth daily? What about anal? Both careers have extremely high costs, oil rig can damage you physically, while porn has a 100% chance of emotionally affecting you. Think about that, and get back to this post.
@Drake — you make it seem as if sex workers in the US have NO other options. I know a lot of successful women who work in all types of jobs. Porn workers CHOSE to do porn. No one is forcing genitals anywhere — it is all a voluntary economic exchange. Both male and female workers can walk away at any time and need not choose to go into the porn industry in the first place. Attractive, sexy women can pursue modelling or PR quite easily if they are into that. They can also go to school and become doctors, lawyers, or any type of professional. But the men and women in porn chose it for some reason
@Mike – I don’t think anyone is disputing that women choose to do porn. The problems being discussed are (1) the unlawful and immoral manipulation and coercion that happens on the job, (2) the lies told to these women that they are protected from various harms, and (3) the conditions in a man or woman’s life that leads her to believe a life in the commercial sex business is a good idea.
Go ahead and become a porn star but what will ur kids think of u later when u try to find a wife who knows and excepts all the diseases you have caught making yourself rich. Money is nice but not when u find urself with an STD or two and no one to love u for who u r and not just ur money. Seems kinda pointless in the end when u can’t find true happiness, which is love. Buying items will never make you 100% happy, there is always a void there and often times stds cause depression cuz everyone makes fun of them, like herpes so no one opens up to talk bout it.
There is something that all human beings have…it’s called a spirit. And in case you’re wondering, women are considered human beings. Your comment is so disturbing, and proves that exposure to pornography distorts the mind, so that you only see women as objects, not as human beings. The devaluing of a human being to justify one’s addiction or mindset, is what rapists, murderers, and pedofiles do before acting on it. Your minimization of the devastation caused by porn, and disturbing view that, allowing others to use, abuse, and violate their body (inside and out) is an easy way to make a living. Your belief that physical violation has no connection with emotional violation/damage is disturbing. There is much more to a woman than her body. She is someone’s daughter. She has a soul, that desires to be cherished, protected, and valued. At some point, someone stole her innocence, and made her feel unworthy of being cherished, protected, and valued. Every time you look at a woman, remember, they use to be an innocent little girl, and has value. Cherish, value, respect, and protect women. While doing so, you will also personally benefit by re-training your thoughts, therefore avoid mimicking the mindset of most of the prison population.
More people need to hear about the dangers of pornography. somehow i feel if men who use pornography understands the pains and horror porn stars go through, many would hate themselves for using it.
So you’re saying only men use pornography? Or you’re saying only men, not women, should understand the pains and horrors and will stop using it. I’m just trying to comprehend your broken logic.
@ Dubz W
I don’t think that was the intention of what Oke was trying to say. However, it seems like women suffer more in the industry then the men do from what I understand, but both are subject to abuse of some form.
I agree with the content of what Adewum Oke said..
its even worse here in africa specifically kenya, porn is killing us
Porn is a satanic institution enrolling about ⅓ of the world’s population into hell.few are unaware of the real harm porn will do thier souls.we are living in the end time and satans’ most destructive tool is sexual Immorality,lets watch out …we have only ONE LIFE to live .one death to die.one salvation through Jesus.and one jugdement after death.its about HEAVEN OR HELL no intermediate.the time is now.tomorrow is not a promise.seek Jesus Cry to him at midnight ? and that’s your liberation.
Jon, I can’t even believe that someone would say that. The dangers may be different, but they are just as real. The amount of money never makes the degradation and humiliation worth it.
While I support anything that leads or better mental health, I am not certain that programs such as these ever get to the root of the problem. In my experience, most people “addicted” to pornography, or involved in the adult industry, were abused as children in a way that has altered their brain chemistry. It’s possible for some that antidepressant medication will work to reduce the pain that causes compulsive behavior. But it’s just as likely that it will not, and the individuals will struggle with the damage done to them until they die. I am living proof of this: A person with a hardcore anxiety disorder that has resisted every kind of treatment out there. I am still plugging along and will never give up the fight. However, I also realize that those promising “miracle cures” usually do not have the solution for most people, either. Good luck.
Yu guyz yu are funny. . . .yu are commenting as if people are being forced into porn. . .most of them people inna de business take pride in their work until things starts to fall apart. . . . . Stop lies and defending these people they are into it out of their wil what yu should be doing is trying to help those who addicted to watching porn not otherwise that why they say only adults qualifies meaning they are able to make their own decision!.
Help the addicts not the actors becoz yu cn never stop porn or its spread . . . . .over a million people are craving to be porn”stars”. So stop helping them or yu are still into it lady!.
This article is really interesting and eye opening, but I am going to have to say that the idea that prayer cured your herpes is just ridiculous. There are plenty of other reasons why an outbreak has not occurred, or that her body has gained an advantage in subduing the virus through a healthy lifestyle.
David you sound like most of the world that does’nt want to give God the glory for healing, maybe one day you will have the faith to believe it. Because I have experienced a miracle in healing from the Almighty and know many that have. This lady made a move of faith to live for God and help people trapped in the same situation she was. Thats how He works, she knows what they are facing. So why is it hard to believe God did the healing because she turned her life to Him. I will pray for you brother. God bless.
@ Tim, shut up man, god dosent exist! why so many natural disasters whch kill so many INNOCENT people, surely he can stop that…? why has my best friends mother father and grandmother died of cancer in less than a year when they all prayed to god, but he wasent there for them! god (almighty)…(almighty prick) is not there and your pathetic for believing he is, complete muppet! btw the bible contradicts itself in a number of ways with its own words!!!!!!!
Ah, the pink cross, kind of like the red cross except instead of helping the needy she helps the lazy sluts that didn’t want to work a regular job so they spread their legs and opened their wallets, I’m truly touched.
@Drew – I assume by your expression “lazy sluts” you believe nobody should try to help them. Interesting perspective.
Drew you are a coldhearted insensitive person that is blind to the fact many of these women are trapped into this industry. You are definitely touched but not with real vision.
Being degraded is something that happens in any job. Just depends on whose letting it happen. It is hard to stand up for what you want in a career. How do you think the union started. Lotta hungry mouths went in to standing up for what we believed was fair.
Whore’s know that the money out weighs the commitments so they don’t do anything about it. Nor do they think ” Hay. I’m gonna need a back up plan.” .
You have to pick up a book AND a line of coke if you want something different.
Lazy. Absolutely. Dumb? I think yes. So go work towards a real long term job instead of that $500 hand bag that will eventually be full of so many cum stains you’ll have to toss it out anyway.
And by ” lazy sluts” means don’t help?
I don’t see an interpreting job in your future guy.
Lazy people need help not to be lazy. Just as the biggest looser helps fat asses not be so fat. The way it works is if you realty want to do or be something different. IT WILL HAPPEN. And the general public loves changing peoples lives who deserve it. A little leg work and a bit of determination will show results.
So please offer a hand to that lazy person. But do not hand out a two year plan that comes with leather and ac. We reap what we sew.
this is so pathetic,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Ya obviously didn’t read the article. She’s not only helping the performers; she’s educating the public about the industry, as well as people who are addicted to porn.
I have a friend of mine who was a former female pornstar. She is a sweetheart in a half and a dear dear friend. I have heard much of the things that go on in the industry myself and I can back up this article 100%. But with a few other things added. The women of the industry are being harmed, its not right and its not something I like to look at. These women need to be helped for the better. Its things like whats happening in the porn industry that the men portray as an image to be “the man” is what kills it for us good guys. I would like to help and or give my support in anyway that I am capable for these women who are abused and degraded in the industry. Women are to be loved and protected, not harmed and degraded.
Are you kidding me? The women in porn ask for it. You think they go into it thinking “oh… Its going to be cherries and apples. What a great life?” They’re degraded because they want it!! Do I respect a woman that wants to sleep with me in the first night i met her? No… She doesn’t deserve any respect. Just like these nasty women who go into porn asking to get it. They want it!!! Why feel sorry for women who walk into the belly of the beast?! Do you feel bad for a guy that drinks a 5th of whiskey and drives drunk, gets in a car accident and loses a leg? No… They DESERVE everything they get. I have no sympathy for action and reaction from stupid decisions.
@Rocky – Wow. I suppose because these women deserve it they are thereby not due any sympathy. Of course: we all deserve the wages of wrongdoings. But Shelley is demonstrating compassion by ministering to these women. Why in the world would you ever look down on this?
The porn industry is not exacly honest, it has influence from crime lords and othrs wt tht kind of talent. Some people join it willingly and others d not have a choice in th matter.. u occassionally hear abt people havin sex wt minors in their movies, i honestly doubt tht a 15 yr old gal wants to be slut… Anyway my point is a billion dollar company based on sex has to hve alot of crooks involved… and wts wt all this talk abt woman being degraded, porn has bth male and female actors
So a girl who was abused as a child by perverted men and decides she might as well get paid for it deserves no sympathy? There’s decisions and then there are compulsive decisions which are what alot of these actors make due to unknown history people such as yourself don’t even bother to look into. Not knocking you for being unsympathetic(probably due to your own history) just trying to point out not everything is as it seems
It’s very simple. Lotta money for little effort. No more no less. I’m gonna have to take door no. three on this one. It doesn’t matter what happened I. Their past to bring them there but what can be done about it now. Only the willing will change.
And yes I’ve known many who say to hell with a job. Up until the botched surgery and now they can’t be the door man at Walmart.
Options people. You can’t bank on one thing your whole life. Think about it please if just for a minute.
Where’s the porn 401k? Retirement? And after you’re sagging to low to pay the bills. Do you have enough time to make it back up? Hell no. Sex for money is a job just as McDonald’s is. A dead end. So wise up and start your future now. With a career. Not an hour long car payment.
I don’t respect men who sleep with women on the first date. It shows they are easy and have no self respect/esteem. And no respect for other human beings as well.
OK. So your argument boils down to, stupid people are stupid. now what. What did you expect from stupid people? to not be stupid? So why rage at stupid people for being stupid? It’s like raging at a blind person because he can’t seen. Stupid people do stupid things, because they are stupid. The next question is, how to treat stupid people? Answer is, with compassion, awareness and insight. Why?Coz, you’re (supposedly, although i have doubts) not stupid, and they are.
Dude,seriously? A lot of people on here shows the heart breaking truth about us as a whole,ignorant. Acting on impulse will make a lot of us men sleep with women without getting to know them , but are they any more to blame than ourselves? I understand these women (pornstars) chose to be in adult entertainment but whether they had been abused (mentally, physically or emotionally) as a child or had a misconception of the industry , do they not deserve a helping hand. These are humans,just like you and I. P.s. The post about how god cured someone of herpes, what if he freed her emotionally? Maybe, he just helped her accept it. Or maybe, the lady repented , she did a 180 and god knew she would so he helped. How nuts would it be if people caught diseases and viruses , asked to be cured and went back to having unprotected sex, we would probably never learn. Tough love is sometimes necessary…. @luke, dude , god bless you. You go hard and that’s amazing.
Thanks, Joshua.
i like the “lazy slut” comment. it really is true that most of them do not want minimum wage jobs and would rather prostitute themselves. almost all these women are able bodied and can hold 1 or 2 jobs easily. i would sypathize with prostitutes who are deaf, mute or disabled but not these physically able women.
ask any sex worker why they dont want regular job. they will elude the question and give excuses, always.
do not believe the lies these sex workers people tell you. they would rather be “degraded” as long as it pays. most of their complaints are related to MONEY (not being paid enough) not the sexual acts itself.
@devski – I have no doubt some sex workers do not want a regular job. But most porn actresses don’t last more than a year and a half in the sex-for-pay industry. The point Shelley is making here is that these women, though they have chosen an awful line of work, are also victims of many injustices while they are working. I think she is trying to show the love Jesus showed to prostitutes in his own day, that although they had chosen degrading lifestyles, he still did not call them “lazy sluts” and look down on them. He befriended them and helped them to leave their lives of sin.
It’s wasn’t that Jesus didn’t judge. He forgave the things that could be judged. And I do believe sloth is in there somewhere too.
don’t judge people as lazy sluts, u dont know why anyone does what they do. only they know. fyi: people w/ criminal records have less job choices so mind ur own biz. lastly i dont see anything in here about men just how women are hurting………women want equal rights yett we still live in a society that cares nothing about men and overly concerned and worshipping women.
Lazy is an observation.just as something is black or blue. Saying one is good or bad for it is judgement. Just sayin.
They have less job choices because they’ve proven themselves to be a detriment to society. The way it should be.
While I agree that girls should be highly respected by guys you never hear the men jumping up and down screaming that the lady’s aren’t paying them any attention.interesting that.
to hard worker, if you are working SO HARD as you claim you sure have plenty of time to degrade women as ‘lazy sluts’ on this site. The lady can’t be a ‘lazy slut’ -if men are involved so what is he? Is she being lazy by having to perform sexual acts that are degrading to her heart and soul? Whether she makes the choice or not to be involved with porn, does not mean she enjoys this emotionally. Yes some jobs are more degrading than others, I work doing cleaning jobs while going through University which is expensive. Most women I know who turn to Jesus and give their lives over to God end up out of the porn industry because Jesus helps to put a clear pure conscious in their hearts. Maybe if Jesus was Lord of your life you would not judge these women so harshly, the way Jesus treated women was considered revolutionary for the time period, women are human beings, not just sex objects to be degraded
It is quite refreshing to read that someone was able to quit this spiritually and physically dangerous job by the grace ofGOD and is now helping others in similar circumstances. I see her as a woman of exemplary courage and others still in this sordid industry should emulate her good example. Let no self righteous fellow judge the csw’s because if Jesus should defy them to cast the first stone if they had no sin, they, like the pharisees wouldn’t have the courage to do it. Sin is that inborn propensity to do wrong which manifests differently in different people and commercial sex work is just one of these manifestations. It should be understood that anyone who has tasted of sex outside marriage without being raped is as guilty before God as the porn workers.
So I’m as guilty as the porn workers because I had sex before marriage! What a load of bull and you forget their all man made rules! Religion causes most the wars in the world and most religious ppl are hypocrites makes me fume!
I was a stripper who got into it by choice. At the time I thought it would be fun to be admired by members of the opposite sex. Looking back I only did it because I grew up (according to a psychologist) emotionally neglected. I was also bullied. (mainly by boys). I was looking for approval, acceptance etc. I wanted to feel wanted. And I temporarily felt that, but In the long run, I got addicted to alcohol and my self esteem plummeted even further. As you think it would after dealing with drunk guys for a living who treat you like a piece of meat. Even the nice ones, and though there were plenty of them, liked me for my physical attributes. They didn’t know the real me, as a dancer it’s all an act. So soon you start believing that this is now what your worth is. I would say that the number of emotionally healthy dancers I met over the years is about 5%. I mean the amount that didn’t suffer sexual or other forms of abuse and enjoyed the job, and used the money to further their studies, pay off property etc. It could only be worse in the adult film industry. An emotionally healthy individual would not allow themselves to be degraded like that.Can you imagine how much worse it would all be in the adult film industry? Clearly you would have to have some serious emotional scarring to be able to turn up to your 1st shoot, and justify to yourself that it’s ok. To have degrading sex on camera!! These girls are real people with real feelings and they mostly would have had a pretty sad life to choose this line of work. Than the drugs, and alcohol and lifestyle kick in and before they know it they are stuck. HAVE SOME COMPASSION. If they want to get out there should be help there for them, and the people who do help should get a bit of respect. These are people’s daughters, sisters etc.
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Grow a spine, ladies. I am an escort and I would never do porn bc its unprotected but I love what I do, I make great money, I don’t feel “degraded” whatever that means. Think about it, if a man is an escort would he complain about being “used”? Heck no! I am an independent liberated woman who enjoys life. Degraded are the needy, silly wives that think their husband would never cheat. But hey if you want to be poor and whiny and your self worth depends on a mans love then to each his own. Tata;)
Is Labelle your real name?
I guess that the end justifies the means for you. You earn big money in the industry but for how long?
The author of the article knows the porn industry inside out. After all, she was part of the whole sordid business (as a prostitute and in movies) from a very early age.
maybe you should look a little harder at the dangers of the job.
Hahaha Labelle I see why you are an escort. It’s evident in your lines. The truth is everyone somehow manages to find a reason as to why they do the things they do. But when it starts becoming a ‘defense’ for what I do, i smell a rat. Sure when you were younger if someone asked you; what do you want to become? it wouldn’t be an escort. Well this is because I have been in a classroom too and such a question have been asked. Remember the voice of the people is the voice of the god. Most people think being an escort, pornstar are all degrading, so you r in the few who think otherwise. Keep it up Labelle, we will see your fate after this life!!!
ok only one thing she choose that life style nobody forces nobody to joint porn
It is also one-sided, don’t paint us all with one brush. Many of us have done porn and are not harmed, it depends on your mindset when you go into it. Also many of the “amateur” studios the actors are not all pulled from that city you mentioned. We shoot in other states and also other parts of Cali.
WOW… after reading this all i can say is WOW. There are good women, and there are sluts.
If all you think you have to offer the world is your sexuality then you get what you get. This is the USA. if you are from here then you have a choice. if you need money that bad then join the miatary. there is no other reason to
be a escort, stripper, or porn star other than the fact that you chose to do so. me and other men well luv to watch
you do what you do, but we will not feel bad. We did not push you there. You did that yourself. i will never call
you a slut, but your life choice is yours. what comes from it is of your doing. this is the life you wanted
because real work was too much for you. So what you get feom it is what you get.
Here here.
You aren’t serious man
Yellow Mr Steve… I felt like laughing when I read ur comment.. Yeah it’s true…. Out there people will like to watch u do what u re doing… Nd ur choice is made by u … The actor… Can’t call any one a slut…. Cus we all got side leaks in our business
Victim? Tell me about the gun that was put to your head every time you drank and doped your way through this life; tell me about how awful and guilty you felt going to the bank, spending the money you were earning. If you were victomised, how many times did you call the police? There should be a crapload of police reports on file, if you were being victimized. You made bad choices, didn’t want to own up to it, and so blame the industry (and others and other stuff — whoever and whatever they are –) for YOUR mistakes. I’m no porn-advocate, but porn, is a victimless crime. Like every other trade, its supply is in direct proportion to its demand. A better strategy would be to walk away, move on with your life and celebrate the change. It’s great that you walked away, but you were not in prison, nor forced into anything. The reality is, like most porn actors, you used your body to make cash. Period. You also knew it was VERY risky, but did it anyway. and if you didn’t you were braindead, which I doubt. You signed contracts, and performed a “service.” Morlalizing about it after the fact cannot mask that. All of us have walked on the dark side in moments of desperation. (including me.) But it takes determination (and a shitload of rationalizations) to stay in that life. You stayed. Now you’re not “there” any more. All you did was leave the business. At most that makes you an ex-hooker. So what? You want glory and fame? Do something glorious and become famous.
Yh One can always assume and predict consequences of his/her decision but assuredly cant pre-determine the result of his/her indecissions. Porn industry has not been fair and is not in it dealings with both the actors and public. Am aware of how a decent loving member of my country was unknowingly abducted and forced into porn for days, however prostitution being one of the oldest professions on earth doesnt make it a lucrative and moral venture. The Entertainment industry must review laws on pornography before it corrupts the very few modest left. However, if u think God is non existing why think about him, but if you argue about faith and confuse miracle with coincidence and scientific interpretations then you aware He God does exist, i will therefore entreat you to study more about to clear your doubt than blaspheming and cursing his name thinking arrogrance and pride can save you. Who are you? What extraordinary achievement have you that is unheard of in the history of mankind? God is God and he reigns he needs not your consent nor approval to be. Grow up …… theres no such thing as being an atheist
Wow, some folks just have no sympathy or compassion for people. yes everyone one makes decisions and they must live with them. However young women and men are impressionable,some times desperate and gullible. Women fall into and yes are victim to preditory and unscrupulous producers ,pimps and pandering. please read here for my experience with pornography.http://gerilewis.wordpress.com/2011/10/10/the-continuing-tale-of-mary-the-brutality-and-dehuminization-of-pornography/
I have written above, and have this to add. Yes these women have chosen to do porn, but often when young you cannot foresee the consequences of your decisions. I went into stripping for several reasons and enjoyed it for the 1st two years, but by the last 4 I felt stuck, had low self esteem and couldn’t easily get out. I am just trying to draw a parallel between stripping and sex work. I honestly don’t think any young woman chooses to do porn and think ” this is great, I’ll have sex with 10 men today, drink some semen or lick it off the floor and come home with a pocket full of cash. What a great life”. In reality in porn they cannot stick to vanilla (though they may initially think they can) because the nature of the industry is to push boundaries. What was exciting yesterday is boring today. They need fresh faces and the only way to stay in work is to do more and more extreme acts. Apparently ‘extreme’ is today’s hardcore. I am sure there is a small number of women who enjoy what they do but i think the percentage would be VERY low. Certain kinky sexual acts when done with people we are attracted to can be enjoyed but it’s very different when you do these things with people who don’t care about you and people who you are not attracted to but just happened to be cast with that day. Also, of course in theory they should get out and walk away at the first sign of trouble but that is not that easy when your mental health is not right. It took me a full 4 years to get out of dancing after 2 years of wanting to be there. It has to be said though that I and almost all other girls drank on shift to put make the acting easier. Drugs were also common. I would imagine it to be the same in the adult film industry. It’s a lifestyle and it’s not that easy to walk away. I don’t want anyone to feel sorry for me because I made decisions by myself but I would think the issues pornstars deal with are tenfold of what I dealt with. I honestly didn’t come accross many girls who didn’t have issues ranging from past sexual abuse, other abuse, absent fathers, addictions etc. I don’t regret dancing because it was at times fun but it’s fun like alcohol.. Superficial and damaging in the long run. I just hate the fact that men think it’s something those women enjoy. Seriously, have you not ever watched a porn flick and though WTF? What is that? And still got off on it and possibly felt guilty afterwards? I’ll wind up now by saying that I like the fact this issue is being talked about so that if someone wants to consider a career in the porn industry they have a bit more knowledge. Have some respect, these people help you get off how many times a week? You watch their movies, yet think of them as lazy sluts. 5 or more hours on a set in strange contorted positions is not lazy. The poles weren’t exactly easy either. And the constant chatting to men about stupid stuff drumming up business. Don’t feel sorry for me, don’t feel sorry for them but accept reality.
Excellent post. i’m really touched by your honesty and experiences. I have the same ambivalent attitude toward porn. as a former heavy user. and guilt about how every click helped fund the machine that made people millions yet exploited many others.
Everyone is blaming and criticizing the women in the porn industry, but no one is blaming the male consumers who are buying the porn videos and supporting the porn industry. Without oil your car will not run. Without the consumers the porn industry cannot operate. It takes two to tango. If you are watching porn videos and at the time putting down the porn actresses, then you are a hypocrits! Take a good look at yourself in the mirror before you point fingers at someone else.
If you ever watched porn videos or go to strip bars or pay for prostitute, then you are just as guilty as the female porn actresses that you are putting down.
Not necessarily, the actresses were there before I started watching them lol. So I watch because they are there to be watched. It’s not vice versa
It is depressing to see all these anti-porn sites are playing the religion card. Where are the people who can see that its unhealthy…Never mind all the supersticious gobbeldygook. It’s UN-NATURAL thats all.
NATURAL and WELL BALENCED healthy people don’t view themselves or others as PRIMARILY sex objects. But rather ae persons of value. Even when they do, Most NORMAL people will be inhibited from rape, incest, child molestation etc.by their CONSCIENCE and/or the NATURAL instinct to see others as we see our self….Another human being with VALUE. Who is MORE than their genitalia.
It’s about VALUE. IT’s about self esteem…It’s not about “SIN” per se, it’s about health vs. sickness. It takes a SICK person to enjoy watching other people have sex ( it’s called VOYERISM…PEEPING TOM..etc)
The sexual guilt beat into our children from the cradle on under the guise of religion is part of the PROBLEM! These sexually/psychologically abuse kids grow up feeling they are “BAD” “GUILTY” “WORTHLESS” little wonder that tend to “act-out” in adulthood the script handed to them as a child. ie. they live their lives so as to PROVE they are who they have been taught to believe thay are by dissaproving, shaming, ABUSIVE PARENTS!
I REFUSE to be reduced to being ONLY a penis, and refuse to see women as nothing but a walking VAGINA! It is a DEGENERATE VIEW OF LIFE!….pornography is a LIE….simple.
@Henry – People play the “religion card” (as you call it) because they are adherents of that religion. They see this issue, and all issues, through the lens of their spiritual beliefs. You obviously don’t share those beliefs, but why would someone give up their beliefs or ignore them when talking about an issue like this?
i agree w/alot of what you said Henry.I wanna add some to it.Along w/low self esteem and crappy parents.Theres also a new trend of people wanting to be diagnosed w/something to feel speacial.Which to me is the pharmacuticle co.’s and Doctors as well.I think parents of children now a days,teenagers reaching 18 or 21 rely too much on government or others or professionals for an identity,for esteem and answers in general.so they have no real true life experiences teaching them the ways of the world,so how could they be prepared.My parents were tuff on me,but im glad.When i turned 18 i was ready for the world.I had to buy my 1st car,stereo,anything,from the sweat of my brow.There was no instant gratification for me to get hooked on either.I had learned self respect and value,what im thinking you call normal.I think the breakdown of family is a big cause also.Im not religeous,nor very sympathetic either.I feel about as much sympathy for a porn star as i do a crack head.Which is to say very little.There are cases in which i do feel sympathy as there are always real reasons to do so.I am a substance abuse counselor.I see this type of stuff daily.I feel sorry for very few of my clients.In most cases theve.To me porn stars are simply protitutes,that dont feel like working for a living.its always poor poor me,pour me another.They have no self will,its instant gratification…mememe,nownownow..Every body cant make it in this country,there has to be some losers,another problem w/the way children are being raised,only winners,every child gets a trophy…theres a reason for 1st,2nd and 3rd place.its a teacher,one of lifes best experiences,thrown to the side.Its called others esteem,not your own so when a adolescent runs into a problem or rejection,or oppurtunity,they are not prepared for it and simply fall apart.Now there bait for the wolves of the world.Porn is a choice,lifestyles are a choice.Aint no body making any body do a damn thing..period.Hard to leave this life style my a**,its a choice.I will say that if a higher power can get some one out of the buisness so be it,if it works it works.But personally i have zero respect and zero sympathy for and one making money for sex acts.
I’m glad to see that this this issue is being discussed more and more every day. I’ve always had a negative view of pornography since I was raped while being forced to watch porn and recreate the acts in the film. Porn to me is vile, disgusting and dgrading to both men and women. When I try to discuss my views on porn, it is difficult for people to know where I am coming from because I can’t tell the the root of my hatred. Even if that hadn’t happened to me, I would still feel the same about porn. Some people accept porn as a normal, everyday thing in their lives. They think I am some what of a bigot when it comes to porno. I am a very open, accepting person, but I believe that every single person, man or woman, that is in porn has to be a slut. My thought process is that these people go into this “industry” (if that’s what you want to call it) knowing that they are going to be screwed by mutiple partners and that they are going to be required to do obscene sex acts with a complete stranger. What does that say about their hearts? What does it say about their “souls” if believe in souls. Some argue that some of these women who become stippers, escorts or porn stars are doing it possibly to support a family. They argue that the sex industry is “hard” work, no pun intended. I guess worrying about stds constantly and having to be pounded or pound somone or multipe people is a difficult job! It isn’t fair for me to say they are all lazy people who are just looking to make easy money and the rest of them are just in it because their chemistry in their brains are all fucked up, some would say. Maybe they are single mothers is another classic justification. These ideas and oppinions others have and present to me in debates on this subject are translucent to me. They think I see things uh n black and white when it comes to porno. I do, There is not an acceptable “reason” for any person, male or female to whore them selves out. None. Period. I agree that some people might not have a full understanding of what they ‘might’ have to do in the business in their future, but the basis is obvious and I believe that if these people are adults they should be able to* somewhat predict * where the porn industry may take them. In my mind, these pornstars are fully capable people just like you and I. They should go to college on loans, grants, scholarships. They should actually work for something in their life, not take a short cut and then expect people to feel sorry for them. I am a very empathic and sympathetic woman, but I feel little to zero of those emotions for individuals who put themselves in that situation. I always say, there is a reason for everything. I try to understand a persons background to undefstand why they do or say the things they do and say. Why they are who they are, but with porn stars, I just can’t understand why anyone would do that to themselves. I see the”reasons or excuses” , like money, being sexually assulted or malested at a young age, needing attention,having father issues or commitment issues, none of these things justify their actions for me. Expressing my views on pornography has caused so many arguments and fights between myself and loved ones, friends and boyfriends, even my fiancé. It makes me upset because I really feel like they don’t understand fully why I feel this way about porn. It’s easy to say here because no ome knows who I am here. I felt alone in my views on
pornography, Although some of my friends do agree. It makes me feel better to know that people are starting to talk more about how detramental porno is on our culture and society. It effects relationships all around. These pushers of porn won’t stop unless we who feel this way speak up.
My husband of 5 years has told me that he wants me to become a pron star. He wants to watch me to have group sex with men . He is a big IT guy -he a CCIE, makes over 150,000 yearly plus bonusesand says he can set up website for me. I find myself so torn. I can’t share this with anyone, he says everyone will just say that it’s bad and why does anyone need to know, or they may even say he is abuse to me. I, on the other hand don’t want to feel like I have to hide anything. I think about doing it to pay for my daughter’s college education but again I don’t want her to know about. … I feel like I don’t love him anymore…. We use to have a great sex life but know I have so much fear and can’t feel as open as I did. Help!!!
Jennifer if you are torn that means the idea of banging various men,on camera does not sit well with you¿¿ If you do not wish to hide well than stand up for yourself and tell him that you do not will not perform these acts. Save your dignity and he should respect your decision.. As far as money,for college well I am sure there are other ways… Best of wishes
Well said Tessa,you are one that deserves sympathy.
what is jennifer talking about. sounds like he makes enough for the kids schooling. he is a sicko or is trying to divorce you. and you find this of real importance to bring up. disfunctional
Is it possible to start a company of women who produce porn in a manner in which the industry workers are stock holders or owners of the company? I understand that this will not eliminate the problem, but if the abuse is one in which the actresses make money and then fall into the cycle of drugs depression etc..would a female ownership have any impact on a subtle regulatory system..
@peter – Of course that is always a possibility. The issue is more cultural than anything else: by in large, much of the pornography industry in California is still a dirty business. When you have a bunch of men driven largely by greed and lust, it is isn’t advantageous to give the women who are objectified more power.
Take, for example, a study done in 2007 by Robert Wosnitzer, Ana Bridges, and Michelle Chang. They looked at the 50 top selling adult DVDs (as published by Adult Video News). After analyzing the scenes in these films, they found 3,376 acts of verbal or physical aggression—that’s an act of aggression every minute and a half or so. In 73% of instances, men were the aggressors, and when women were the aggressors, most of the time they were being aggressive to another woman. Clearly, there is a premium in these films on women being depicted as tools for male pleasure. (Learn more in my e-book, Your Brain on Porn). It is degrading and dehumanizing. It is eroticized violence.
To give women a stake in what happens would run contrary to the overall business model they’ve set up.
Just my take on the conversation: I don’t believe that women or men for that matter are “lazy sluts.” They do make a viable descision to do porn in hopes of making money or some other means of reason. I guess the women do have a hard time doing porn for a number of reasons and turn to drugs and alcohol to ease the pain whether for physical or emotional reasons. One thing that puzzles me the most, is why do so many people do porn when the chances of contracting an incurrable disease is almost certain! After doing so many films unprotected and people outside of work, its really hard not to get some sort of STD. I don’t know; I suppose the money is just to good to turn down.
I watch porn, and to be honest, I don’t like that I do it. In fact I hate it! But the truth is that there is no other means of convenience for physical pleasure than porn! I am a Christian and I believe in God with all of my heart, which makes my situation even worse. I really hate the fact that porn feeds off of a very primordial, physical urge. I mean looking at it from a basic idea we as people have to eat, sleep, and reproduce. I know that is putting it very basic and it probably sounds like an excuse but that is how it seems to me. I’m sure there are lots of people like me, torn between their religious beliefs and physcial urges. Oh, in regards to the person who was talking about porn is not natural. I don’t think he quit right. Porn is based off of what is natural. What I mean is sex is natural! The other degrading parts of porn is feeding off of people’s inhibition to withdraw from sinful acts which everyone in this world deals with everyday. Thank God for Jesus! He paid for our sins so that we may be forgiven.
@B-Rad – I hear you when you say that you hate looking at porn, the tension you feel between what you believe and your physical urges. But I would urge you to reconsider your understanding of watching porn as “natural.” Sex is natural and good, meant to bond us to another person in love. But porn is solo-sex, bonding you to images and fantasies. Plus, watching porn endorses the industry that encourages the kind of abuses these women suffer.
It is good that Jesus forgives us, but that same grace is also available to change us. I would really encourage you not to give up or lower God’s standards for your sexual life.
being hooked on instant gratification is a hard thing to break,its exactly like quitting drugs,tuff.Best of luck.
(In response to a post from November and continuing) One notable difference between oil rigging and the porn industry is that oil rigging isn’t a sin against God (YHWH of the Christian faith). According to Christianity, sex is intended for only a husband and a wife to share; it seems to be an uncommon practice now for a number of reasons. Those reasons could include: moral rebellion, uncontrolled lust, desire for money, peer pressure, cultural pressure, and ignorance (and a plethora of other reasons).
No doubt, it is possible that a person could enter the porn industry, become rich, and extract no diseases and live a happy and stable life. Of course this isn’t very likely, but I am speaking strictly of logical possibilities. However, if you were to observe the chance of extracting a disease or diseases at work and compare it to the chance of receiving a physical injury at work, then you might be liken to stick with oil rigging. 1: The people running the rigging company are very likely to be highly motivated to keep their employees safe by following a set of rules, regulations, and safety procedures. However, the agents of a porn industry are more likely to be negligent of a persons physical safety; not to mention that fact that even if the greatest possible safety measures are taken, repetitive sex with multiple partners still has a very high risk of disease extraction. Finally, consider for a moment that as a person working in the porn industry you aren’t going to gain a positive reputation, and you aren’t helping the public (except to support those who have pornographic or sex addictions). On the other hand, working an oil rigging job can gain a person a respectable reputation while doing work that benefits the economy in a positive way.
So, even from a non-religious standpoint, it seems to me that the money one might earn from sex/porn is not worth the cost or the risk that is involved.
However, from the Christian standpoint I personally make the claim that living a life in submission to God’s will is worth your life’s focus. You might realize God’s love that does not discriminate or hold grudges.
I fear that I have opened up quite a much larger issue that is too large for this forum. I want to recognize that much of what I have mentioned is controversial, even the processing of oil can be argued to be destructive or wrong, let alone the controversies that a religious argument can bring. I want to just say that I do not mean to impose any opinions on anyone, and I don’t mean to offend anyone. Finally, I say what I do about Christianity because I thoroughly believe it, and would be willing upon request to offer logical, philosophical, scientific, or theological evidence to back my claims. Thank you.
what is with all this god talk
@rich – The “god talk” is because Shelley Lubben is a Christian, as are many of the readers of this blog.
God is a lie! he is non existent, he lets thousands of people (kids) die everyday, what a great god…..! its a total load of bollocks!!!!!
is everyone forgetting the most addictive thing of all isn’t the money, it is the dopamine from the sex.. many of the workers are slaves to their very high release of dopamine since they are usually the few that have explored sex enough to find the most potent type of kink that gets them off. Not all sex release is the same in everyone and not all types of sex gives the same level of release in each person. It is not just the users of porn that get addicted. The performers can be chained by their own sexual releases. Those are almost impossible to break without some serious deep love to absorb one from it
If sex is addictive outside of marriage by way of the porn industry, then it is most certainly addictive within marriage. So is addiction to sex really evil?
@dennis – Is sex in marriage addictive? Yes and no. Porn/sex addiction is what’s known as a “arousal addiction.” With all arousal addictions the operative drive is the desire for variety. For a man addicted to sex and porn, he will be prompted to seek out different images, different experiences, different women. A man who stays faithful to his wife isn’t seeking this variety, rather he is building a habit of intimacy with his spouse, which in turn bonds her to him. While both porn and monogamous sexual relations tap the same neurochemical and hormonal systems, they do not produce the same results.
Aside from these facts, the nature of your question is related to morality: Is addiction to sex evil? The answer to this question is based more on your frame of reference: What is meant to guide our morals? I would argue, from a Christian perspective, that addiction to anything is inherently wrong, merely because the addictive behavior or substance becomes the all-consuming reality of one’s life, and this is a position that only God is meant to occupy for us. To let anything become our greatest longing and desire (even a good thing) is to, in a sense, let it become our god.
I am a Christian and I know that watching porn is sinful. But there are times when my natural urges do get the best of me, but I am in no way condoning what I do.
However I do know about all the abuses that go on in the porn industry esp. the degrading and emotional and physical abuse of women. For such reasons I do not watch heterosexual porn. However girl/girl porn appears to be a different story entirely. The women are not abused, in fact they very much enjoy what they are doing and performing with consideration for each other
I do not doubt that I grieve the HS and show contempt for the sacrifice Jesus made for me. For this I remain sorry until my hormones again get the best of me. May God have mercy on all pornographers and the people who support this vile industry by purchasing their movies. And please God have mercy on me.
@Luke
If God cured her herpes why did he give it to her and let her transmit it in the first place? Lol you dumbass Christians
@Ray – I haven’t said anything here about her being cured of herpes. I assume your question is for Shelley.
Ok people, the GOD thing…..if you think the almighty took time to cure a pornstars herpes your a jackass. Period. And you keep saying “degrading” and “despicable”….but to whom? so if YOU think something is degrading then it just is for everyone? spoken like a true self important fool. I guess everything not Allah is horrible too, i mean the Taliban thinks so, so it must be true. Yes there is some shady stuff in Porn….kinda like every other enterprise on the planet….and the church is up near the top of that list. Your free to have your opinion, but that doesnt make it correct and dont tell me im wrong just cause i dont believe what you believe
@Jordan – I think the thing that is important to understand is that Christianity is going by an objective standard. Christians believe God has actually acted and spoken in history. This anchors our beliefs about morality in something objective. So when you ask “to whom” is porn “despicable”? The answer is: God. So it isn’t that: “We think its true, therefore it is.” That would be ludicrous. We believe in Christ for the same types of reasons that people believe in George Washington: they existed and people knew them and saw them and spoke to them.
Since girls are not being raped left and right, how about you dish out some accountability? I have removed myself from several bad situations because i have common sense. Nobody tried to gag me and hold me hostage when i left the set!
i really admire your work shelley,porn destroys more than young actors, it destroys marriages and future relationships,and causes rape! I am married and thought nothing of viewing porn, until i tried to turn fantasy into reality with a another very sexy women,i could not have sex with her no matter how hard i tried.then i realized that its not what she looks like but how you feel about her, if shes your soul mate then worship her! porn should be made illegal because its addictive and its more of a slavery to young actresses, and if you want it bad enough your fantasy will come true.and to all you males,you only get one chance for a soul mate/with great sex
Sex is part of life, not Heart of life.
nothing comes as only good. If u think quick money follows the foremost (sexual) pleasure of the life, it’s just a fallacy. When somethings come together, expect good if bad come or anticipate Bad if good has com.
In hinduism also we beleive sex is meant for procreation not recreation. It’s the strength that God has bestowed us to exchange between husband n wife for procreation n let live two together for this reason which u don’t have to buy for one another.
With, how many u enjoy sex, the pleasure is till it last. Better, enjoy with ur wife or husband so, thence u’ll get extra pleasure…..
@ Luke Gilkerson
#1 there’s only 1 story in the New Testament were “Jesus” helped a gentile(non Jew) so for you to say that Jesus showed love and compassion to everyone isn’t true, in fact, Christians pride themselves on the fact that they are gentiles but Matthew 10:5 clearly tells you that Jesus meant for his message to be given to jews only, so i agree with Dan when he says ” if you think God cured your herpes your crazy”
#2 do you seriously think these woman got tricked or forced into doing sexual acts that they don’t agree with?? the problem with this argument is that the woman ACTUALLY has to perform by herself, its not an indirect act! she knows what she signed up for and she has a daily choice of doing it or not. That’s like someone signing up for the ARMY and saying they were tricked into going to war. With that being said this whole situation is a waste of thought! There’s many more things going on in the world right now.
Hey Ben,
#1: Actually you are incorrect. Jesus lived in Capernaum, a leading city in what was called “Galilee of the Gentiles,” regular with Greek speakers from outside Israel. He traveled to Gentiles regions outside Israel. He preached to Greeks. Any cursory reading of the Gospels will show you this.
#2: I can only report on what numerous former porn actresses tell me. When they sign on to do a particular kind of sex scene and show up to the set and are told to do another, this is a breach of contract. Those who enlist in the army know they could go to war. To equate to the two is insulting both to porn stars and military personnel.
There are many difficult things going on in the world right now, you are right. But to ignore one injustice just because there are many more is itself an injustice.
Ben,
I seriously suggesr u cool ur jets about comparing porn stars to our United States Armed Forces. There is NOTHING to compare the 2. 1 protects our freedom so fools like u can make a a$$ of ur self like u just did. The other is basically freedom of speech. HOW DARE U compare them. U don’t have a clue and wouldn’t get 1 if it smacked u in the head and it landed at ur feet. Next time u wanna run ur mouth like a faucet u may wanna engage ur brain first. Then u won’t look quite so dumb. And yes what I said is ment to offend.
There is a cure for herpes: it is called c vitamin give it a try & also there are herbs that fight herpes also
I find it ridiculous of how much of the junk (meaning porn) is on the internet… And yet those people in the porn industry make MORE money than an average working citizen who is in a DECENT job! I mean that’s just sad and its not fair on everyone else.
I think porn is degrading, stupid and in some circumstances wrong… Yet the politicians are happy to tolerate such a high percentage of it over the internet which makes it easier for young children to accidently access it and be exposed to it at an early age – That’s what disappoints me the most.
Eventhough it doesn’t effect me personally (because it has no space my daily life) it would be nice to see some changes being done to it, e.g. put more restriction on it or something before it eventually gets out of hand.
Ok so I have read your entire artical. Some what imformative. I work in the brothel industry and porn industry myself. The herpes or any other diseas can be transmitted anytime in porn or out. Now everyone has their reasons to do porn or prostitution. Examples would be pay off school, help family, or just get ahead in life. That is where your brain comes into play. What you do with the money is up to you. Yes it is hard work not what people think of just come and do the deed. It takes hours of prep work and yes you get tested in the proper porn companies. The no condom in gay porn is truly risky because you have a higher chance of contracting. Also to bring in religion to something in this type of topic is just stupid. It’s like talking politics. Everyone has their views and what not. I understand people want to so called help. Really educate yourself more before you go after something and it is your own view. We all have demons we hide from everyone. We are categorized in certain ways. Some good some bad. Some people are week and get caught up in the scene. It can be unfortunate. We are all responsible for our own actions and trust me people who claim they are innocent and prey to what ever have also done wrong. So this is my point of view. Yes some time people do need help they loose their way in what their goal is or what not but hey you live and learn. We provide a service to the so called less fortunate people who need and want the attention we can provide that no one else can give. Also for people who are in the closet about what ever fetish they have from toes to bunt cakes. So try a different aprouch to get the affect you are looking for. Marketing is a key play here
I completely agree. The fact that people bring religion into everything is annoying. What makes religion so perfect that everybody with so called “demons” has to turn to. I seem to remember a lot of bad things happenin in the catholic church, christian church, hell even the jewish church. All what I just said proves is that what ever MAN touches is NOT PERFECT by no means. Even the most “pure” person has things that aren’t inside them. So there it is. If that’s not the truth or u think its not then ur truely nieve
I am a Baptist Preacher, I preach at a Rescue mission, and Veterans Home I have thirteen GrandChildren and Two Greatgrand Sons, the People I see at the Mission come from every area of Society. I was amazed at the amount of people observing Pornography, and the money spent on this, more surprising was how many people I did not know the extent of Children that have access to Porn sites. I had two of my Granddaughters stay with my wife and I they are Teenagers. They told me their parents had watched Porn and so had they. It is a shame I preach against this and I warn others about, looking at this type of Material and Movies. I just had recently a Man Die of HIV at the mission we have a Hospice room. He was a Male prostitude, I deal with Female prostitudes also and try to lead them to Jesus Christ, and get them off the streets, the battle is up hill not only for porn but Drug addiction and Alcoholism
Lol I believe God does not currently manifest his power in physical ways such as curing Herpes. If that was so, then he wouldn’t allow catastrophes. He expects his message to be spread by his messengers in this age. However, as previously stated, living a healthy lifestyle might have caused some scientific difference that allowed the symptoms to fade. It is medically impossible to be cured of it. Old testament -> New testament. Now to the pornstars: they choose the life, they choose the regrets. Heres an example; just as a bank robber takes the risk of 10 years in jail, so a pornstar risks a life of emotional distress and physical degradation. However, the difference between the two are the skillsets required. To rob a bank, one must have the know how and tools for the job; these usually come after a fair amount of practice, the acquisition of contacts, etc. Therefore, I would assume that a skilled robber would be at a point in his mental development which would allow him to make a more informed decision about the cost and affect
Lol I believe God does not currently manifest his power in physical ways such as curing Herpes. If that was so, then he wouldn’t allow catastrophes. He expects his message to be spread by his messengers in this age. However, as previously stated, living a healthy lifestyle might have caused some scientific difference that allowed the symptoms to fade. It is medically impossible to be cured of it. Old testament -> New testament. Now to the pornstars: they choose the life, they choose the regrets. Heres an example; just as a bank robber takes the risk of 10 years in jail, so a pornstar risks a life of emotional distress and physical degradation. However, the difference between the two are the skillsets required. To rob a bank, one must have the know how and tools for the job; these usually come after a fair amount of practice, the acquisition of contacts, etc. Therefore, I would assume that a skilled robber would be at a point in his mental development which would allow him to make a more informed decision about the cost and affect of his actions. A pornstar, on the other hand, requires usually only one skill, if it can even be called such: a beautiful physical appearance. This is usually found very early in life, and so it’s my belief that many of these girls make uninformed decisions because of their young age and mental inadequacy. These girls did choose the lifestyle, but just as a 16 year old child who is addicted to heroin, they should be given grace because of their inability to use the skill of foresight, which comes later in life when one has gained some maturity. Therefore, I commend this woman for looking to help some of these girls. Some indeed know and understand the consequences, but many don’t, and this woman is to be commended for her actions. /endwalloftext
Y is it everyone has to turn a conversation about 1 thing into religion. UNDERSTAND FOOLS not everything revolves round god. Yes I’m a believer but this isn’t about that. This is about how porn performers and their families are injured or tormented because the system is eithr corrupt or completly shattered. BACK ON TOPIC
He who sees all, hears all, knows all, created ALL , and WILL eventually DESTROY ALL has everything to do with ANYTHziNG no matter how small or big — he’s watching- he knows – so everyone needs to put their common sense lil cap on no pun intended and KNOW GOD is ALPHA & OMEGA — porn is evil – thus of satan – God cast Satan Aka lucifer out of hell … So u see …. It always goes back to God it always has – it always will . I myself wld be very afraid to try and belittle him. When God has enough of this fealty – evil- disgusting world – He will destroy it! And u best believe it’s coming – sooner than we think and will be mightier than a human can even begin to imagine ….
So YES it is about God it will ALWAYS be about GOD
There is nothing inherently wrong with sex work, just as there is nothing inherently wrong with any act that does not hurt anyone else. It is the lack of standards and of regulations- the industry runs unsupervised and corrupt, and this is what happens.
As far as “porn addiction” goes, I think a lot of people, Christians in particular, call any desire to watch pornography an addiction. I beg to differ- we have human urges and human needs, and it’s very natural to want to watch others have sex. An addiction would go above and beyond, say, someone who needs to watch it to climax at all, or begins to lose desire for their spouse due to mental reprogramming (from watching too much porn perhaps, or other reasons could be involved as well- maybe their partner’s tight sphincter, low self-confidence and paranoia about their partner’s internet activities).
Just Sayin’
@phoenix – Interesting thoughts.
1. To say there is nothing wrong with sex work on the grounds that he does not hurt anyone else is like saying there’s nothing wrong with suicide because you only kill yourself. There is such a thing as immoral systems that promote self-harm. Besides, there are many other harms that come from the product produced by the porn industry.
2. The problem of porn addiction is even recognized by the medical community. The DSM-V is due to come out in the next couple years and will be including “hypersexual disorder” in it. When we we say “addiction” we mean exactly what your describe: a dependency on the material, a loss of self-control, the need for more extreme material to achieve climax. You are right: there are some things mislabeled addiction that probably shouldn’t be (such as compulsive or impulsive behavior) but this does not negate the fact that addiction really exists.
Here we go again. Phoenix is correct in sayin that it does not hurt anyone. When luke compares it to suicides is OBSURD. 1 there is not a single possible way to compare the 2 so y would u. That makes no sence. But I see where its goin back to the religious aspect. But I’m not goin there cause its not the topic. Suicide is for someone who fels they have no way out of a life they cannot get control of. I don’t think its wrong as long as there is no attempt to injure others I.e. sitting in a car with oncoming train that makes it wrong cause other lives r affected.
And we as a society are makin up to many “dissorders” to make excuses. Simple fact is that we all have something wrong with us nobodys perfect so y would u wanna make a excuse of it.
Also morality is a personal preerences. My morals are differnet from u. But fyi I watch porn almost everyday. Does that make me sick? No y? Because I still function w/o it. I use it for a medical reason I look different so there it is. Making up a dissorder is a excuse to explain away somethin we don’t like about ourselves. We just need to accept our actions simple and plain
T Skee – The suicide analogy exposes the absurdity of your notion that just because someone does something to themselves and harm no one else, this makes it okay. But I see you don’t have a problem with this either, which at least makes you consistent.
Luke,
Again u obviously are NOT reading what I’m sayin. Suicide is not right I don’t agree with it specially if its due to self pitty. But those that are truely mentally ill that cannot afford medicla or anything like that. What would u prefer? Payin for their medical bills via taxes or payin for their boarding at a jail or mental institute cause they took their agression out on a INNOCENT person. Id prefer they offed themselves. If that makes me wrong oh well. If innocent gets hurt what is more wrong?
BACK TO TOPIC
I don’t think porn is wrong. It can be used and abused which is wrong and should be handled by law enforcement. The performers should NOT be judged that “hey ur a porn star and u ask for it” it makes abuse that happens to them ok. Its not. The issue needs to be fixed. Just like any job they should be able to go to work feel safe and enjoy their job. Tell me I’m wrong?.
I was only bringing in the suicide angle because of what Phoenix said, “There is nothing inherently wrong with sex work, just as there is nothing inherently wrong with any act that does not hurt anyone else.” That is what is truly absurd. I was pointing out that absurdity by applying his principle to something else entirely. Hurt “someone else” is not the only barometer of right and wrong.
Yes, back on topic… We do agree at least on the principle that if porn is going to be legal that it needs to be a safe workplace. Unfortunately that has not happened in California, as Shelley points out here. When I interviewed Shelley back in February she told me about their initiative to require condoms on the porn sets (just like a doctor who works with bodily fluids is required to wear gloves). The porn industry in California is blatantly defying the law and doing so openly: only a handful of producers are complying. In fact, they are so defiant, they would rather relocate than comply.
Personally, I don’t believe porn can be made “safe enough” for the same reasons prostitution can’t be made safe enough. Porn is, after all, a form of legalized prostitution. The world of commercial sex(of which porn is a part) comes with the inherent danger of a world where men buy sex for money. Go anywhere where women are bought and sold (even by choice), whether is Las Vegas, Mexico City, or Phnom Penh, and you find brutality.
But this is only the tip of the iceberg. Where we disagree is I do believe porn is wrong because it commodifies and industrializes sex and trains men and women to dehumanize one another. Of course the impact on each person varies considerably, but the the message of porn comes through loud and clear: It is okay to lust after a woman’s body parts as if she doesn’t matter as a person.
Luke,
So as u said that california law requires the producers to have condoms on hand yes? So ur also telling me that if a performer wanted to wear a condom or have their counterpart wear a condom they can’t spend 10bucks at the local drug store and buy a pack huh? NOW I’m not sayin the producers r right cause3 according to what u said they r breaking the law plain as day.I get that. BUT can’t the perfomers take a little initiative n get them too?
And guess what not just men watch porn. Women do to they just won’t admit it cause its easy for a man to say “hey its a guy thing”. But what about the ugly beast Fabio? Is he not industrialized and commodified and lusted upon by women? Simple fact is its human nature to lust its in our nature to desire the “perfect mate” and if u think I’m wrong check the studies. Women watch porn too they just won’t admit to it. U can’t blame only men I’m sorry maybe we r as men are a big part of it but guess what we r not the only piece to the pie.
T Skee – First, the issue about condoms in porn films (which will appear on the LA county ballot in November) is not related to whether a pornstar can take initiative and buy condoms for herself. Yes, any actress could do that, but directors control what they want shown in their films. As famous porn producer Ron Jeremy has said, “We don’t mind wearing rubbers, but no matter how you slice it, the viewers don’t want to see them.” It is a matter of supply and demand. If viewers don’t want to buy films that show condoms, then producers will not want to make them. Girls can insist on them being used for health reasons, but she won’t be working in the porn industry for long.
The point is that the porn production companies bear this responsibility. If I am a doctor operating on patients without the proper gloves, I would expect that the hospital administration to take action. Similarly, if a guy and a girl on the porn set start having sex without a condom, I would expect the producers and directors to take action. They don’t. And they’ve explicitly said they don’t want to comply. No matter what a pornstar might want to do on the set, the responsibility to ensure her safety lies in the hands of those who hire her.
Second, you are right: Porn is also viewed by women. I’ve written many articles about this on our blog and just wrote a recent article about female porn addiction for our monthly e-zine. I also coordinated a webinar for women who struggle with this a couple months ago. I don’t think anyone here is blaming men specifically for the demand for porn.
Luke,
Simple fact is that there is not enough exposure no pun intended on this subject. Yay its on the internet so its out there forever great but how many ppl r readin and replyin on this blog? Not many that’s the problem. If you or I want anything to change where is the media? Where’s law enforcement to enforce said laws that r bein broken? There not here r they NO y? Cause there isn’t enough attention on this. If u want it changed get the word out and make noice cause I’m sorry shelley but if this is one of the few blogs on the issue its just not gonna cut it. Public outcry can change a lot that is undeniable. So give that a shot. If a actress/actor doesn’t wanna wear a condom then don’t. If they are coerced to without it go to court with the statute of sueing them with their intent to “inflict bodily harm” try that make noice rock the boat do somthing this blog isn’t gonna cut it. And they can and do have a choice on wheter ot not to do a scene with a condom. If they don’t the don’t do the scene there’s a reason god created “boycots” isn’t there. And yes I know I am pretty sure I spelled that wrong. That’s the initiative that I was refering to as well
You are right: there’s isn’t enough exposure about this. This blog post is one of many out there, but there isn’t nearly enough press. But at least big organizations like Cal-Osha are going after porn producers now. We’ll see what happens in California in November: if the voters uphold the law in LA County, producers will likely pack up and move. Now, this won’t change things systemically, but California makes a large percentage of the world’s porn. If something happens there, it might raise national awareness.
Well since condoms were voted to be used in nov.Lets see it enforced,i feel the watchin and making of porn will start to decline.Im sure theyll move to where they dont have to use them.For a porn star loosing his/her job for not using one?wow,theres millions of americans out of work willing to do a job they dont like or wernt even trained for.I sure dont feel for a out of work porn star.Addictions are treatable.Any one heard of the new laughn disorder?gimme a break,this country is hooked on instant gratification,disorders & prescriptions.Just the way the pharmasuiticle co.’s like it.Laughn is the best medicine,if one wants to stop laughn,stick your finger in a door jamm and slamm the door.If ones child is watching porn,take away the internet conn. .Adults make your own bed and lay in it yes?All one has to do is learn from history,as in Greece and Rome,to know the dangers and to know better than to dive into the instant gratification and seemingly unimportant decisions.
You two guys are making some excellent point.If the laws are inforced the problems of porn will start to melt……im still laughn about an out of work porn star/hooker or escort…..poor wuttle porn star.
I hate condoms,i thank the gods ive a fantastic wife of many years.Honestly when we were first dating we watched some porn,but it didnt last for long for several reasons.
Why watch some one picking apples when you have the best home made apple pie waiting to be ate in your own kitchen.
Shelley ….you are doing a wonderful job…please carry on…. all my best wishes….
Please save people from doing porn……save the performers who are in the industry now…There is a lot of porn and it can be continued for next 150 years…so no more is required please save all…….Take care
You are doing gud by helping for the victims. I also want to protest with you for adult industries
Miss Shelley-Thank you so much for educating people on the realities of pornography. I used to be in the industry myself. (I reside in a big city in the USA). I originally got into the business to avoid homelessness after running away. It was exciting and the money was instant gratification and I became addicted to the lifestyle and never ending flow of cash. Then, while working in a whorehouse, three thugs somehow got in and I was raped. I did press charges-come to find out the guy who did that to me was wanted for murder. I became (more) addicted to drugs, but kept working as a high class escort. I also did a few films. No condoms. I was scared to death-but oh the money! I then attained a “sugar daddy” who drove me so crazy with his abuse that I ended up in psychiatric hospitals. I felt so trapped that I considered suicide many times. Now, after stopping working in the sex biz, I am strong, independent, and successful without having to sell my body for quick money. I love Jesus, and after accepting him as my saviour, my life has changed dramatically! I am genuinely happy, I love myself again, and I have everything I need. I advise any girls and women who are reading this to not make the same mistakes I unfortunately did. I have been diagnosed with PTSD, bipolar disorder, and depression. Since I stopped using drugs, and have been on my legitimately prescribed medication, I can finally function in life again. God bless everyone, and thanks for reading my story.
if you think there is a charracter known to all as (god) then you are more lost than you can ever realize.
tk – Why do you say that?
be careful of what you say; you might be the last one to be laughed at. “What goes around always comes around”; are you superhuman? Have some respect and be mature. I think you have a problem, if not you’re sick in the head (insane); go to a nearest mental health clinic or consult a psychiatrist/counselor!
really good piece of information and an eye opening info thanks shelly lubben
Hey Jesus was a good man……. To many people miss the point of the moral guidebook that is the bible. Instead of going to church and telling yourself you are a good Christian, why not spend that time helping others or generally being a better person. Hey those porn stars are hard working men and woman trying to support drug or material powdering addictions.
Porn sucks. Porn is for limp wristed losers. For God sakes get away from porn everyone.
PORN IS FAKE! REAL MEN DON’T WATCH PORN!
MEN! Stop raping yourselves to FAKE porn trash. Your limp wristed fantasies will never come true.
Well I love and think porn is perfectly fine.I really dont see whats wrong with is whatsover.I’d like to become a male porn actor myself.
From all these stories and experiences shared u still have an interest in it?….
This is and pathetic. Let me explain something to everyone. In rap vi videos you have video vixens. They dance in the background for mobey right, buy when they get a certain age they want to write books and do interviews to talk about how horrible it was in that industry. Case in point this lady. Dont do something enjoy it then go back and try to expose ot simply because it doesnt want you any more. I applaud her for speaking out but motives are a totally dfferent thing. Its not about religion its about trying to get back at something because it doesnt want you anymore. P.S. real sex is better than porn just saying.
I don’t know why some people here are doubting the ability of God to heal. You can walk into -any- church of true believers any place in the county and find many instances of people who have been miraculously cured of disease– cancer, psychiatric problems, homosexuality, drugs, blindness and deafness, Autism, missing arms grown back, people waiting for hearts and livers suddenly healed, burn victims growing new skin, Alzheimer’s instantly cured, even acute cases of chronic credulity…..ok well, not the last one.
Now a lot o what you just said was bull****. That POV was a weak minded one to make about religion. Not to be off topic. But I’m ending all religious talk with destiny vs. free will. Point blank, the porn industry is voluntary. And according to a lot of ppl, “God” created it. SO who is really to blame for these misfortunate events? Not to mention a lot of actors are mostly Christian to begin with lol
Hi DIAMIRacle.
1. Your comment far from “ends” the topic. That discussion about the sovereignty of God has been around for centuries, so I doubt your small paragraph here closes the question.
2. The porn industry is voluntary, of course (at least for most people). That is not really the question. The question is how the public should respond to the abuses in the industry.
3. Where do you get the idea that most women in the industry are Christians? Do you have any evidence for that?
I find my self in it like the cross..
lol honestly these woman know exactly what the hell their doing fu cking for money is prostitution anyway u look at it wether u call it “acting” or excorting all porn stars are whores and should be treated as such end of story its ur life u chose to be on ur knees to make money than shut the hell up and do it
Very interesting. My ex used to be a pole dancer. Even that could have lead to to a bigger involvement if I would have let it. At the time it doesn’t dawn on you that other men are lusting after your wife. The pure and simple truth is most people don’t know when to say enough and become blind to an addiction rather it be porn or exhibitionism. I don’t think there will ever will be a safe way to do it. People are supposed to be higher then animals in intelligence, but how can we be when we almost always have to learn after the suffering instead of just listen to those who have suffered so we don’t have to.; No matter the lesson to be learned.
So true
So these who**s, nothing more, nothing less, (the women I mean) spread their diseases outside of the industry and with the general public with no protection with no care or though because all they are bothered about is a pay check, I know it takes two but have some respect for humans your dirty scummy used up sl**s
shelly, you and other ex porn should listin to walk away ,beatuful, stronger then ever,and fighter.by christina aguluria.
I must say we should aboide by the laws given us to GOD. I also pray for those who have STD and many other different diseases.
Shelley Lubben and to all , i know your trying to help the men and woman to get out of the pron scene and i have respect for you for that .but one thing we all are missing why aint you talking to the woman and men coming into adult hood . need to talk to them in good ways . like instead of showing your body in porn why not show your figure in like modeling acting pagents um lawyers doctors nurses theres other ways to make money and still show off your figure even being an athelete . and i know even every one has there own oppenion but how would you feel if your son or daughter wasin porn and they got some kind of std . yes everyone wants to make a quick bucks fast but think of the long haul . .
wish god would cure my herpes
My son was lured out to California from a Craigslist ad for modeling. We live in the South and didn’t have much money , it was the lure of big money that caused him to answer the ad. I thought it was real modeling , but it turns out it was gay porn.( he is not gay) They treated him like a rock star, paid for the airfare,meals, picked him up from the airport in a limo etc. He had to sign a year contract with them, he was only 18. He never went back after the contract was up, but started drinking heavily for the next two years. He was raised in church. but became rebellious.Most of the people he knew found out about it, because he was on a porn website, and they weren’t his friend anymore and they were ugly to him.He had to transfer to another school district and graduated from high school this year at age 20.He has since had to move out of state . He is really struggling with this and needs prayer. Just thought I would tell my experience with this horrible industry.
Thanks for sharing, Lynn. The more stories I hear, the worse it gets.
With God, ANYTHING is possible! Trust.
>well 2 all u non believers of god i pray 4 u!!! with GOD anything is possible just put ur trust n him and keep on living life!!
>ms.lynn your son is strong and will make it through this im praying for him god is good and will help him along the way!
>no-one can say god can’t cure you b/c your WRONG yes we make our own chooses in life but god know what were’re going to do b4 we do it….
keep the faith and you’ll be just fine goodbye people
With all due respect people sorry to say that ur God had nothing to do with the curing of mrs.Shelley’s herpes its just not logical I mean what r the odds of being cured by the creator? If it were simply that easy theen y does Your God aquire death n our everyday life y not help old people and dying starving kids? Sorry to tell you that God is not the creator of all things and furthermore what type of title is that for the creator since it not really a name at all or a divine title. God simply means an ideal in which you can idealize any person, place or thing. So before you speak about things you know nothing about take time to think and do some homework about the creator himself you people have to get right with Yahweh he is our one true heavenly father or El meaning the most high! Any diease that are aquired are not of the creator and is of satan since earth is his domain!!!!! And pornogarphy is of satan!!!!!! There was life long before light the ancient ones who rule the earth today as we speak the annuki beings or gods are celestrial reptillians from another time and place they just altered the human perseption and turned the whole world against eachother they supply the drugs they altered and have hidden the true religion they make the medicine they control your minds they use hate and fear against us to keep the world at war they control the media they embed violence in our minds from birth so why you ask why the world is slowly dying they lant that image in our heads a child repeats what they hear or see so if we turn on the t.v. and see drugs being sold people being shot stabbed ect. What do you think that child will do when he or she is disrespected they think its the right actoin because that’s all they see on t.v. image is everything! War was installed to kill us off so in the end guess who still remains on top?? Think people do your homework the whole world is corrupted and with one agenda on their minds world dominance and a world of the new ages bka new world order a one world supremacy!!!!!!!!
it’s very thought provoking & heart touching .infact the govt. must think about the life of porn performers & do sth for them.
Just to throw this out there, no one needs to talk about god or religion. I am personally fine for whatever you believe but keep it to yourself, you wouldn’t want someone to start talking about how some atheist got healed because he was an atheist or what not. I do not know exactly what I believe in so I feel like that gives me the best point of view on religion. It pains me to see people trust god with all their heart and tell people their views make no sense because they are blinded with religion. Also vise versa, I am only 14 I shouldn’t be on this blog but I see it has knowledge and know how. A lot of peoples logic made sense, if it makes sense to me it should make sense to you don’t be blinded by belief.my whole family is christan who goes to church except my mother step dad and father.
I just wanted to say to everyone….. STOP BEING SO DISRESPECTFUL TO EACH OTHER! You all sound like a bunch of little kids fighting. For the people that don’t believen god, I respect your opinions and views your intitle to. For the people that believens god again I respect your opinions and views this is how it should be. Fighting over who believes and who doesn’t what does it matter your not going to change each others minds so why FORCE your opinions on each other? Does it not say in the bible to not force religion on someone who wishes not to learn? Then stop doing it. Gezz wiz
Herpes is a viral infection. There is no cure, religious or otherwis. Case closed ^~^
Hi Aiden, I don’t believe anyone is claiming that “religion” cures herpes. I believe what they are saying is that God can cure herpes. Granted, if you don’t believe in a God that can cure physical maladies, then the discussion would need to turn to why the commenters believe what they believe about God.
“California pornography industry is causing severe secondary negative effects on adult industry workers as well as the general public” that’s true of almost every industry if it is not regulated strictly and intelligently. Sadly, most politicians have no interest in being known as the one that cleaned up the porn industry and made it safe for those that work in it. I empathize for those hurt by the industry but, also believe that there it has a fundamental 1st amendment right to exist. I think the OP’s lack of solutions also seems to be ignoring these fundamental questions about how all workers are treated in all industries along with the 1st amendment issues. That is why i doubt, as much as their cause is out of the virtue, will be at at all successful
I would actually like to make a suggestion….. Yes, i can understand that to a large extent shelly is a christian woman and that this is a christian blog, but this is not the platform for us to attack each other about what we believe and to convince others to believe the same thing. I personally think that some people are not commenting to support or criticise the work that shelly is doing, but now they are pushing their own agendas, and this is seriously out of line now……. I am a christian, and i strongly believe that Gods power and how he acts is beyond human comprehension…. i believe that God healed shelly’s herpes if she says so and he can do the same for other pornstars as well- but there are, however, T&C’s. When we do things and throw the religious card , we should to it for God’s glory. I dont —- no i know for a fact—- that God is not pleased at all to see what is happening here. If you, luke, believe in God then its fine. If you, T.skee (or Dan), dont believe in God, then thats fine too. God gave us a freedom of choice, so we should respect other people’s choices and opinions… Now let me conclude: shelly prayed and got healed, God has reasons why He doesnt heal other pornstars, herpes is nothing compard to God’s power, and let this discussion about Gods acts be closed…. Dont carry on like fools fighting please. Again, bigups to shelly for what she is doing—- einstein (south africa)
Unfortunately Einstein, You yourself are somewhat self righteous. Who are you to tell other what to say, think or do here. I respect all the positive opinions about Shelly here. But again who are you to speak about god as if you know him and have two way conversations with him. Or you sit next to him side by side and watch his works personally from his/her point of view???
Dis is real,funny,sad,upsetting and humorous with all the bickering and fighting,you guys are adults,keep your thoughts to yourself if there not nice,like you were told as kids and tell your kids,you should be ashamed as adults and especially parents to stoop to such a low degree of immaturity,you people rarely mention the lady this whole thing was started from.just get on the topic about her,her mission,and things that could he done to help those with diseases,in the industry and those who want a better and healthier life,I’m only 20 and seeing this article AMD all the comments makes me wonder how a majority of my age even made it this far.
The important thing to remember here is that we all share a common interest. The common interest is to reduce the suffering of our fellow human beings. For the most part I would assert that the women in the sex industry, whether it be pornography or prostitution, are not there because they want to be. Past and future circumstances dictate to a large extend what your current predicament may be. I be if you interviewed healthy women that have no history of physical/sexual abuse, 99-99.9% of these women would not aspire to be a porn star. I do not think that it can be disputed that the sex industry preys off of peoples unfortunate circumstances and lack of knowledge on the subject. Regardless of religion (I myself do not believe in a supreme being) suffering is taking place. If you are religious than there is ample literature within your particular faith that condemns this human suffering. If you are not religious than there is also ample literature within psychology and sociology to condemn the sex industry for its ill-effects on the mental state of an individual.
For everyone who believes in god you need to grow up and realize where we came from, I guess you guys still believe in santa clause and the tooth fairy too. there are 1000000000000000 religions out there who believe in theirs just as much as you do, and god is supposed to be the almighty creator? hahahah. Religion is a scam and a business..how do you think churches pay rent? Do you really think there is a guy who just created everything and is watching every move you make? The only reason you guys believe in god is because of how you were raised and you dont know anything else besides what your parents taught you. Thats called Enculturation. You have to have an open mind and get out of your circle and go explore and find out the truth, now I am not saying I know the truth but I know religion, and you guys are all fooled. How did god get created? he was always there is the most popular answer…what a weak response. It takes millions of years for life to get created. My point of this is not to burst everyones bubble, I just find it ridiculous that everyone has this faith in something that is totally fake and its okay to want to know the truth. You just have to really think about it
Interestingly, a number of people looked at the facts and came to the complete opposite conclusion. You may be interested to read the experiences of investigative journalist Lee Strobel, for example.
Only a fool says there is no God. Psalm 14:1.
It is unbelievable what I’ve read…all of the comments have been interesting. Better yet most have been degenerate, crude, insensitive, biased, judgemental, for a lack of words many of you showed your true colors. You have a right to your opinion about Christ & drcisions, but truthfully we are supposed to be images and examples of God. For those of you who are flat out atheist, read the book like you do everything else & then comment. Don’t tell me what you think, tell me what you know. From my view, firsthand abuse & watching people I know prostitute, would those of you who said these hurting & damged people don’t deserve help? Even if it was your child, sibling, etc? You’d be as cold as you are now? If Shelley says someone particulary God has delivered her what’s it to you? At least she could rely on being truthful with herself and attempting to be god like by showing true compassion where most of you jackasses lack it completely. I had one person to speak to me and that made me believe that God didn’t waste his breathe on this cynicalso called group of malicious nutjobs. For anyone who clarifies that porn is not an issue I know there is much more than that going on in your boring life. You Peru much said you promote abuse, because obviously you’re an abuser. Either to someone else or yourself. You don’t know what love is being that porn had nothing to do with intimacy. The privelege of knowing your partner inside & out. You probably treat others like objects where ever you are. Work, home, etc. oh I forgot that sine if you think God is a genie and if something doesn’t go your way then it’s his fault or God doesn’t exist. I understand the feeling of why me, but do you think that’s helped you by living the way you want because you’ve been let down? Then you should add a list of people on there who failed you go be miserable & hate the world. In the end if you aren’t helping then you are hurting someone. Be better than what you received, shit stick and all. At least Shelley was brave enough to be a caring human being.
It’s strange how some of us find God in terrible places. I came to believe in God in AA. But I’m not a Christian. I believe that miracles are possible. I should be dead. But here I am. What doesn’t make sense is the way children are born into starving, abusive cultures and never even have a chance and die horribly. Why do some people who live a terrible life of negativity get a second chance and get miraculously cured of diseases and some people don’t even get a chance to choose any kind of life style? A priest would use the classic cop out ‘God works in mysterious ways’ which equates to not having a clue. This leads me to believe(along with a thousand other reasons) that most major religions are bogus. But just because religion for the most part is bogus does not mean there isn’t a God that created us and maybe even loves us. At least if we’re lucky. Most of us don’t deserve it and if you take how I lived the majority of my life I sure don’t. As far as I can tell…some people are just garbage..unredeamable and that’s why they don’t get any chances. Maybe we get reincarnated until we’re achieve enlightenment and then we can move on. Those children that die are paying penance for some hideous past crime. And porn. I eat meat. The farming industry is destroying the very habitat in which we live and poisoning us with hormones. I drive a car. The oil industry is doing everything it can do stop the invention of clean energy because of greedy tycoons. And I occasionally watch porn. I have a great relationship with my wife and there’s no secrets. She often has to go to bed early and it’s hard to be intimate as often as I would like with a 4 year old around. So I use porn to crank one out now and again(please excuse my crude language.) I’m aware of the abuse and I know all about addiction. But…look to your own religion. Maybe these people are paying for some sin against God or maybe they’re just garbage. And maybe the one’s who have enough good in them will repent and all the abuse will just be a bad memory.
I’d actually go slightly farther than you: all humans are garbage. Even our good works are like filthy rags. We’re all sinners, and left to our own devices, in Heaven’s law court we’d all be condemned to Hell. None of us would ever be able to pay the punishment mandated by a righteous God.
But that’s the entire point of the Gospel. We can’t pay our own debts, so Jesus came down and paid it for us by dying and rising again. Now, in God’s court, Jesus asks as the defense attorney for those who believe in Him, saying, “Nope, they’re not good enough, but I already paid the penalty.”
As for the issue of suffering that you bring up, I suggest reading Lee Strobel’s The Case for Faith. I promise, it’s a better answer than “God works in mysterious ways.”
DiaMiracle, i will not try to enter into an argument with you. All i am saying is we should focus on the REAL MATTER at hand: shelly, porn and other topics inclined in that context. I respect your opinion about me being self righteous. I can’t stop what you think, and i was not trying to tell people HOW to think or do or what to say…… Like i said before i started writing that message, i was ”just making a suggestion”……..
All the reason for the madness here, and the distraction from the pointof the entire mmessage from Shelly, is due to the very first post. Steps need to be taken back. If you’re reading this, be sure to take the time and observe that the same pointless argument is made literally around 100 times. I could very well be Budhist, and say all the Christians have karma now, some with good, some with bad. Samecould go ffor those who do not believe in a God regardless of for… Now, children (since that is what most of you are acting like) move on… Reread Shelly’s message, and former an opinion disregarding religion, as I believe in the matter at hand, you are the one she’s reaching out to… Not a god if you believe in any.
So many good points i cant decide which ones better…..
? does the porn industry have psychologist to give women theopary,how does this women minister to 300 men and women. Does she come on the set preaching the word of god to them after the shooting scene is finished? Women and men do have a choice you are affected by your choices, unless they are all mental patients applying for the job, well if they want to put thier hand in the fire and get burnt. They need some sort of psychiatrist treatment,this need to be ongoing Now iam sure these people can find work else where like scrubbing toilet bowls or waitress, money is a bit less but hey it,s a job.I think people that wish to work in the porn industry are either sex addicted,love the money or just plain stupid. Iam sure that people of the antichrist would,nt really help these folks they rather watch you do another porn clip.As for your self i hope you reached those 300 people and got throught to them and shared the love of christ to them to set them free from thier actions. And by thier faith this is the healing they would receive.Jesus said it is by your faith thats sets you free.
Thank God you gave your life to christ at long last.but the truth is porn stars know what they were getting into before doing it.so any thing they get as by product e.g STDs is a consequence of the path they chose, no one has to pat you on the head for that..I just pray in Jesus name most and those wanting out, get out…Porn is no easy way of making money as some may think, I know i can’t make a wife out of a porn star no matter how sexy she looks..thank God Jesus is in the business of second chances though.
physics:
action->reaction->action->reaction
apply on formation of universe:
action a -> reaction …. -> creation of universe -> … ->action -> reaction z
action a + reaction z = something not material (no material before universe and after)= spirit =father +son +holy spirit (there is no mother) = one (son and holy spirit have special purpose which will be explained later) Bible : we created …. not i created…
plant = body + life in cells
animal = body + life in cells
human = body + life in cells + spirit (image of the spirit who created)
difference between humans and animals is not intelligence it is humans can differentiate between good and evil animals cannot.
why we can because we have this spirit which is the image of GOD GOD can so we can
JESUS = body + life in cells + spirit of son = the word = BIBLE
if you believe that these spheres turning around themselves came from nothing or from the belly of a cow or that a chubby guy with six arms created you have big contradiction with science.
go to Evangelical church (for correct teaching purpose) pray so you be baptized by JESUS with the Holy Spirit and your spirit be Born Again and become a believer so you live with him
why these hollywood stars end up using drugs because they sin a lot their spirit hurts them they try to kill it with drugs and alcohol they end up killing the host
hope you reader got it
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Pornography is sinful, it is the sin of lust. It is sex separated from love, it is selfish and perverse. Sex and love are one and the same, and are meant only for a man and woman in marriage. It is a personal matter, a woman’s body is meant as a gift to her husband, and vice-versa. A real man is one who stays faithful to his wife, and does not talk about her in a degrading matter, what goes on in their bedroom is nobody’s business but their own. When you have sex on camera, you have violated that which is sacred, and you no longer have anything special to offer, you are in essence damaged goods. The only way to be cleansed is to repent of your sins and turn to God. Jesus forgave the woman caught in adultery when the Pharisees wanted to stone her to death, but he did so with the admonishment; “Go, and sin no more.” God will forgive all sins, but only if we turn away from them and change our ways. The Bible condemns sin not because God is some oppressive dictator, but because sin is harmful and God loves us and doesn’t want to see us hurt ourselves. Fornication is a sin because it harms not only ourselves but others as well, whether it be an STD, or an unwanted pregnancy, which can lead to an out of wedlock birth or abortion. God warns us in his word not to sin, and so when we get diseases like herpes, etc. it is not God’s fault, it is our own fault! God warned Adam and Eve of what would happen if they ate the forbidden fruit, but they did not listen and what God said would happen to them did indeed happen. We live in a fallen world, we have diseases, death, and despair because we have turned our backs on God. The good news, however, is that God sent his son to die for our sins so that we may be reconciled to him and we won’t have to live in torment and misery for all eternity. God gave us free will, we can choose to accept him into our lives, or we can reject him and go our own way. We can always live in sin if we so choose, but sin always has consequences. There is fun in sin for a short season, but eventually it always catches up to us. Getting drunk may be fun for a while, but if we do it long enough, we could destroy our body and die prematurely. Same with porn. Some of the porn actors may enjoy it for a while, but if they do it long enough it will eventually catch up to them, and what was once sweet will become bitter. The wage of sin is death. Some of the women in porn may be physically beautiful, but they lack inner beauty, they are afflicted with an ugliness of the soul. I like a beautiful woman just as much as any guy, they are pleasing to the eye, God made them that way, it is one of His gifts to them, but He made them that way so that they will be special to one man, a husband who will love and cherish them, not to be degraded and looked upon as a piece of meat by those with sinful lusts. Beauty and sex are made by God for enjoyment, but it has to be done properly and not abused, much like drugs, which are good if used for healing purposes but bad if used for recreational purposes. There’s a big difference between proper use and abuse.
this post must be the last for preaching purpose you can put now your justice aside and post it again
physics:
action->reaction->action->reaction
apply on formation of universe:
action a -> reaction …. -> creation of universe -> … ->action -> reaction z
action a + reaction z = something not material (no material before universe and after)= spirit =father +son +holy spirit (there is no mother) = one (son and holy spirit have special purpose which will be explained later) Bible : we created …. not i created…
plant = body + life in cells
animal = body + life in cells
human = body + life in cells + spirit (image of the spirit who created)
difference between humans and animals is not intelligence it is humans can differentiate between good and evil animals cannot.
why we can because we have this spirit which is the image of GOD GOD can so we can
JESUS = body + life in cells + spirit of son = the word = BIBLE
if you believe that these spheres turning around themselves came from nothing or from the belly of a cow or that a chubby guy with six arms created you have big contradiction with science.
go to Evangelical church (for correct teaching purpose) pray so you be baptized by JESUS with the Holy Spirit and your spirit be Born Again and become a believer so you live with him
why these hollywood stars end up using drugs because they sin a lot their spirit hurts them they try to kill it with drugs and alcohol they end up killing the host
hope you reader got it
Satan is a lie,let us know that God is the one who crated us, His purpose was for a men to live a live according to His purpose.
John 10 :10a;
This is the plan of God : jeremiah 29 :11;
PORNO IS SATANIC
FIRST OF ALL. WHY GIRLS GO FOR PORN FOR MONEY ? THEY HAVE NO RELIGIOUS EDUCATION ? AND WHERE ARE HUMAN RIGHTS ? IF THERE WILL BE LITTLE INCIDENT IN A MUSLIM COUNTRY THAN USA EUROPE HUMAN RIGHTS WAKE UP..BUT INSIDE USA IS FULL OF RAPIST AND CRIMINALS AND TERRORISTS. THEY HAVE NO SENSE. GIRLS ARE TOYS FOR THEM..IN REALITY THEY ARE SATAN..
its like what u sow ure gonna to reap in the future, whts ur thoughts in the minds going to be delivered in action in the future. so think wisely inside the heart because through the heart god connects if ur mercy less ur gonna with the devil as a evil doers, usa is a great country dont compare usa with muslim country they hide there womens and marry 4 womens by a single man& they can marry any woman from around the world wht a law the religion say???? worst. take care bye bye.
You can make it work in the Porn Industry just as you can make it work anywhere else in the world. Stay clean uncorrupt and truly know those you work with around you. No Secrets
I AM TALKING TO ONLY PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN GOD:
To me anything that does not oppressed God and does not pose danger to humanity is lawful and that, no one will has the right to blame anyone for that matter.
pornography is a sin because the God and Messengers say so… why people who believe in Him will even be dare to support the least of that action?
it is also destruction to human lives, especially innocent children, happy couples, tallented guys etc. just imagine the impact it would have caused to our social,economic and religious life.
Anyone who have said those actors should be symphatise can equally say the same to the person who has killed his blinded him, his brother or loved ones.
All you Atheists here better get one thing straight,we can believe for once God doesnt exists but for that sake do not tell us that your pathetic porn industry is any better than God.
People in the name of God and in his fear do good things,you dont know what happens to a person after he dies or before he is born in particular,hell if Science and porn is so smart why till today they could never predict the correct date of the end to this world?
On the other hand we have witnessed people fall in misery because of this porn stuff you people desire so very much,but when we believe and listen to that “God” you say is “Fake” good things happen to us and we are in a better place than your cock loving women or your huge dicked men are…(just to let you know there was a time they said cancer was incurable and thats the same times when my grandma had it,but somehow she was healed and the doctors wouldnt believe that fact placed before them..so as a result you cant say theres no “God” that protects/guides us away from bad things like the topic today “Porn”
God is real….for the unbelieve you will find out the truth
When Jesus comes or when you die… I don’t argue with anybody
When it comes to God when that day comes
Everybody that are unbeliever will find out that God
Is real. The one that said the world was flat does not
Make any since to me all that is scientist and its not even a fact
I can go on and on about who created that event like the Big Bang
I mean rely seriesly how would anybody believe that it makes no I can’t even find the word for it. For the unbeliever you most aloud the devil in your mind be aide only he wants you to believe that god is not real when clealy he’s real and I’m a testimony to it what I have been though I should have been dead but god kept me alive. So nobody can tell god isn’t real.
U all missed the point of this was to show the bad stuff that happens in the porn industry not spark a religious argument
Right. There really was no intention in the article (or mention for that matter) about religious ideas. The argument started when people were asking Shelley to share about the time she was cured of her herpes (by God), and then others started in with the name-calling.
Luke, you’ve been commenting on this article for years now. I’m going to make these few comments and be done with it. Stop making everything about religion. You have your own beliefs which you are entitled to and everyone else has their own. Don’t force your opinions in front of others. Next, about porn stars, they choose to do what they do. If they realize it isn’t what they want well they can leave. They don’t really need THAT much sympathy but it’s understandable why they would feel so poor or traumatized. I personally have never experienced any situations or any relationships with friends like this. But, people choose their own careers no matter what. Being raised in a poor household with horrible events doesn’t mean you should go out and prostitute. I have had very close people with those experiences and are now in college studying to be a lawyer. You choose your own faith. Not “God”.
Hi Random Reader,
Since you’re done with the discussion, I won’t assume you’ll respond to me. But I’ll give it a go.
To say I’ve made “everything about religion” means you actually haven’t read the whole of my comments here. Many times I’ve left comments that have said nothing about religion. (I count about 11 or so here that have nothing to do with God or religion.)
Second, why is leaving comments on a blog post forcing my opinions on others. Is this really an accurate description? It isn’t me forcing my opinions any more than others who have spoken their atheistic beliefs. Why try to squash the religious dialogue? I welcome it, as, it seems, do the people here who willingly engage in the discussion. What is the harm in me stating what I believe or asking others to state why they believe what they do?
Third, I hear what you are saying about whether porn stars should receive our sympathy or help. Certainly many people believe they have made their bed: they should lie in it. I suppose I would ask you this question in reply: If someone like Shelley spends her time helping prostitutes and porn stars, herself fully knowing they have chosen their career path and are now regretting the hurt it has brought them, are her sympathy and aid somehow misguided? Is she giving too much sympathy to them? If so, what helps you to gage when too much sympathy has been given in a particular situation? I’d really like to know.
Yea you are so right! Her belief in god and praying cured her. Hey we dont need medicine or vaccines eighter since god will just cure us when we pray to him. We should just get rid of doctors since in your view their just getting in the way of gods work. Sit on your ass pray and everything will magicly be better.
Can’t have an intelligemt conversation when religeon is involved. Yea ill have fun in whatever you percieve hell is because İ dont share your views.. But thats how your religeon keeps poeple in line right? Dont do what you or actually “god” wants and boom doomed to eternal hell.
Ms Shelley. Please contact me. I am a 45 year old widowed white male on the eastern seaboard. I am highly educated and have also been grossly hurt by the porn industry. I seek possible employment in your agency. I am Methodist and believe strongly in Jesus. I still struggle but have so much to tell, share, educate, learn… please contact me
Richard, you can contact Shelley Lubben directly through her organization, The Pink Cross Foundation.
I am impressed by your articel and engagement.
It seems that since the Greek nothing has changed. Even for a doctorr it is difficult to understand.
God is meciful and still loves humanity that is why people that say he deos not exist are still alive today. Dear friends in Christ Jesus live judgement to God. And for the topic: satan has six ministries of making sure that everyone is involve in immorality, the worst of them is porn u might not be furnicating,mastubating,gay,lesbian,etc but u are watching porn that could be your own way of commiting immorality. Nevertheless if porn is a good act it would have been taught in schools, colleges,universities,polytechnics etc. in conclution porn is originally from the pit of hell for the destruction of soul. God is a great healer, herpes isas small as healing someone from tooth pain when compared to what God can do. this is my contribution from NIGERIA.
@obichuwu Excuse me, but did you just say being gay and lesbian is immorality? What is wrong with you, people are all different and I preferably like it that way. Please don’t hate on lesbians or gays because of your religion.
what to say, we are acknowledged by everything, but what we do is that we are educated but still loving all the truth about porn ,we are watching it,some where our children or our adults , no body is responsible for porn industry because our society is giving the money ,taste of sex. everyone is involved in this circle. love is passionate but without sex it couldn,t be completed at all. prevention is in our hand “everyone is not reading bible may be not beliving god , society has to wake up against porn industry by giving good oppurtunities to earn money by good way, good healing centre for drug addiction , and giving love when they are teen ,teach them right way of direction that money is not everything one day this body has to die ,you cannot take fame ,money with you, everything in this world is going to an end which give birth to new life.
I, as an ex-pornstar believe that all STDs were created to keep sexual urges in check.
I find it hard to take any of your OPINIONS seriously. The amount of misspelled words, texting lingo, or incorrect grammar is just proof of the ignorance that is on the Internet. Do not try to make a valid point when the source of your argument is invalid. It is easy to throw any quote from the Bible to relate to any circumstance, but the majority of the time it is taken out of context from the passage from which the scripture is take . Yes, The Lord has the power and will to cure herpes. There is no one that can rebut against that.
Herpes and all dis-eases have a cure. Go read some books by Louise L Hay and definitely go vegan.
You can claim that Jesus cured you of herpes, or that you got it from the two pornos you were in vs the years of prostitution or that the blood coming out of that crazy Chinese guys penis didn’t give t to you but… THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR TAX EVASION AND BLASPHEMY ! False prophet.
Jesus can cure herpes, we get it. There is no reason but her word to believe that he cured HER herpes. She has a Lon history of lying and greed.
First and foremost I’d like to say that claiming all diseases has a cure, like you have claimed Shell Goldstein, is not only incorrect but an ignorant claim/comment. You tell people to go read a book and go vegan, I say you yourself should take your own advice and do a little more research. Also, a person’s eating habits has nothing to do with how healthy one can be as I’ve known a few people who were extremely health and have dropped dead from a heart attack.
Secondly, from the more past comments, Luke Gilkerson asked a lot of people to back their claims but not once did I see him back anything he said, or claimed. A troll is a troll and you sir are one. A person’s belief is a person’s belief no matter if you’re Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, etc. True enlightenment is it realize this world is full of different people with many different ways of life and to accept them for who they are and what they believe. If you don’t happen to follow that belief then so be it. Accept them for who they are. Christianity, true Christianity that is, teaches that to all of it’s followers, so I question your faith, that is if you want to claim you’re not trolling the boards, but questioning those around you about their life beliefs.
Lastly, good on this woman for breaking from the industry and trying to help those who need/want it to move away from it as well. No matter the tools she uses be it religion, support or whatever, it’s a good cause. But let’s keep it real.
To start of personally I think it’s neither good nor bad itself, it’s the people that run it that shift it toward one or the other. After all only humans can give something the concept of good or evil. And I agree that woman AND men who get into porn usually get into it by choice. And yes it of USUALLY their own free will. I acknowledge that, And just like any choice there is consquences in this case STDs and emotional abuse. But does that really mean we have to shun them, call them sluts, lazy and the like. If it’s in our power to try to help them why not try to help them. Extend a hand to them and do what you can. Have sympathy we’re all in this together in some way shape or form so why not help each other. And if you don’t have sympathy for them think pragmatically. It’ll only help the world in which you live in. And honestly whether you believe in God, Buddha, Krishna or nothing at all isn’t there still some merit in trying to be a good person to others?
God loves u.
I know a couple women in porn. I am a man who contracted herpes when i lost my virginity to a girl who did not tell me she had the std…until after the fact that she gave it to me. Her mother made her tell me. And let me tell u it devastated, changed and redirected the entire future of my life.
I was afraid to ever even get close to engaging in sex with a woman for years. Frequently began to visit strip clubs where I met women who I could relate to sumwhat. Sad stories and changed future plans.
Its sad what some people have to go thru but most people tend not to care or decide to prejudge and label people based on what it is they may do to survive in this ugly world…
There are many stories any type of person can tell that can change lives.
My point is please stop judging people, becuz you arent in their shoes and dont always know the circumstances of events that lead us to be the people we are. And you may never know the entire history of sum1 you thought you knew everything about. I have plenty of people that know me but dont know i have herpes or how i got it. I CHOOSE not to tell everyone becuz of the horrible stigma that herpes has behind it and how people make fun of it.
How i wish it could go away. I feel sorry for anyone who has it and I know it will be a liberating day for me when i can find sum1 who will love me for who i am and not judge me for catching a disease that no person deserves to have…
This is not a easy job. But I do not like this.
No man can fathom Gods abilities. If God is able to raise the dead he is more than able and willing to heal my sister from herpes. There is nothing my God can not do! PERIOD
I have studied porn on and off for a while at different intervals , there is continually new faces to replace the people who either sicken and quit or sicken and die or those who realize the disaster that the porn industry is fermenting and just walk away , the question is we have created a male society that feeds on the industry ,when the war is won and over and the porn industry is dead and buried it will leave predators , like Hitler left his Nazi behind to be de-Nazified . how do we de- Porn-er-ize the sexual predator the industry created
I knew the porn industry was bad, but not this bad. I hate my addiction so much, some people are haunted by ghosts or demons, I’m haunted by images of naked women. The porn industry ruins lives.
Not only Herpes but also other diseases like HIV have cure through medicines.But all the human beings have to safe guard themselves from all the diseases before they catch them.Males and females who are engaging inporn industry getting HIV or other sever social diseases knowingly its harm and affects. There are so many ways to earn in the world. Involving in pornography and prostitution definitely makes the life short. currently pornography harms the society severely as the school children and adults are being addicted by this since the access for the internet and porn sites is made easy.
Affects of pornography toward the future generation will be very harmful.Side affects of this will lead to rape and prostitution vastly..
God will help those who back from pornography or prostitution if they are worried and engage in prayers.
To cure from diseases its not enough to pray only, instead they have to take proper medicines too. Depend on the prayers only never sooth you from the diseases.
Shelley:
I’d like to congratulate you for taking courage; what a lovely testimony and I am really touched. Touched in a sense that you can see as you’ve never seen in the past life. Your testimony can be a real hope and assurance to those who feel hopeless; it’s all looking at things from a positive outlook rather than being pessimistic! Go forward and look beyond the horizon; remember, it was Mary Magdalene who first saw the resurrected Christ early in morning as she wept beside the tomb thinking someone must stolen the body of Christ. But lo and behold they interacted face to face. So you see, I kind of see you as a unique Mary Magdalene. Your testimony is a real blessing to those of us who have been in the Church pretending…
Shelley, we love you and keep up your unique ministry alive. BE POSITIVE AND DON’T GET CARRIED AWAY WITH THE RADICALS AND PESSIMISTIC FOOLS. They are mosquitoes they only spread their poison around the place; just avoid them! GOD BLESS YOU!!!
I particularly enjoy the argument that god gave man choices. he gave man free will and cognitive reasoning with which to make these choices.
And then has MEN write a book in which he kills the entire planet with a flood while saving a 500 year old drunk on what must have been an unfathomably sized boat to have saved millions of species. BTW where is that boat?
Furthermore this god that gave you cognitive reasoning to make life decisions asks that you forget those skills while worshiping him and reading his book, which I again remind you was written by men. There is no other way to believe without suspending cognitive reasoning. For using cognitive reasoning would not allow you to believe in a book containing a talking blue burning bush, a talking snake, a talking donkey, men who lived for hundreds of years, a man that lived in a whale, the parting of a sea, water into wine, walking on water, immaculate conception, resurrection, etc. etc .etc.
If your own child or mother came to you and said I am pregnant. You would naturally ask by whom. The response is no one, it’s an immaculate conception! Or on the way to see you they were late because a snake started talking to them! Or maybe it was blue burning bush. In any instance you would call them liars and ridicule them.
But go ahead and suspend all logic, (given to you by god), to believe in a book written by men thousands of years ago. I’m a little surprised the omnipotent creator didn’t see a whole lot of people being skeptical. lol
Oh ya and only believe in the parts that suit you. Only the parts of Leviticus that suit your world today. There are 76 things banned in Leviticus. Go ahead and rattle them off as I am sure all of you follow every single one. lol
Hi freedomwriter,
You seem to be positing theism against logic, but logic has little to do with the examples you are giving. Logic has to do with conclusion following from premises, and as long as one of your premises is that God exists, miracles are more than possible.
I’m not sure what Leviticus has to do with this, either.
Convert into islam .tth true religion. And he will cure anything but you are shameful of your past and give your specific time to allah he will definately cure you.. I swear…otherwise live your shameful life and unhealthy…
I had no idea this woman was Christian. I’m only assuming she chose to join Christianity recently. The good thing is, shes attempting to get her life back together.
Good, I have gone tru the previous coversation, but i was realy amaze some people jux take GOD 4 granted may thier soul be renew and forgiven, porn has been a rhetorical question as why living soul will lured thenselveselves into this so called body desire, all in the name of acquiring worth, the bible says, our body is the temble of God. that what shall it profit a man to gain the whole world to himselves than loose his life into hell fire, this pornstars i feel very pitty 4 them but sometyms it pains why they engage thenselves into it, thier lives will 4eva parish if they change from that evil ways, many can say foolish things about GOD, for the we are in the era of the despensation of the ggrace of God when the tyme comes those who says there is or there is not shall finnally know may God forgive.. Amen
@Luke
No, Luke, let’s be honest here. I’ve been reading and while I won’t say you’ve only been talking about religion, you seem to keep replying to those that try and besmirch the “holy one”- not that I care, but you’re starting to get annoying.
Freedom of speech, OK. (as in, check)
But, what are you trying to prove by asking them to elaborate on their wasted efforts?
Do you really care, or do you just get a kick out of trying to come out on top?
In my opinion, It’s not what you’re saying, but how you’re saying it.
Maybe you’re right. Maybe I’m ignorant. Hell, I don’t even really have a solid argument on the major and what (should be) the ONLY issue in this article: the problems, crimes, and corruption of today.
All I can say, is like some people have said above me, People make their destiny.
Whether or not they were wrongly influenced or not, people make their decisions. Suicide’s an option, but no one really want’s that. And you’re right- I don’t know what they really think, I don’t know why they do it nor do I understand a cinch of it.
Could they have been forced? Yes. Is that fair? No. Is it reality? Yes- This is what I see when I see your replies to other people’s comments. You only make yourself redundant. Who cares though, right?
Will this ever become more spread out? Maybe. Should more supporters like this woman, just for humanities sake, come to others aid and help them work out their lives (not in the name of Jehovah, Abraham, Allah, or even Buddha)? Why not.
Will some people get scammed in the process? Sure.
Is it a crime or a taboo to help people who have been negatively effected by the corruption? No.
Am I saying you haven’t said this already? No.
Just stop bringing religion into this. I realize you may not have started the whole dispute, but seriously, enough is enough.
Do not, I repeat it: DO NOT ask me to elaborate further on my argument (Do I have one?).
DO NOT ask me why I think the way I do.
You had many chances, but to no avail.
I’m done with this page and whole idiotic comment group.
I leave you all in the hopes that one day we can all settle our differences and just leave religion and politics out of the picture.
I bid you adieu~
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P.S – If you reply to me. When I die, you’ll be going to………(Not a typo. That “to” is meant as it reads.)
Adieu. I see you want no more conversation.
But for the sake of other reading, I’ll reply with a few thoughts:
I chime in with thoughts on religion because such in inevitable. If I am an atheist, my disbelief in God will influence how I see myself, the world, morality, and pornography. If I am an agnostic, my confusion or ambivalence about God will influence those things. If I am a Christian, my belief in Christ will influence those things. And by “influence” I do not mean in some minor way: I mean it colors how we see these things in their entirety. I do not believe there is a truly “neutral” position from which we can all discuss these topics, and the comments on this post are a great example of how our beliefs religion colors our opinions. Some have said that, “if you think God cured someone of herpes you are a complete idiot,” or “God doesn’t help anyone,” or “there’s no such thing as god.” These are theological statements. My comments are also theological statements. We’re all making theological statements, so what about my comments are out of line?
You asked, “What are you trying to prove by asking them to elaborate on their wasted efforts? Do you really care, or do you just get a kick out of trying to come out on top?” I do care. I care very much. I’m asking people to elaborate because this is exactly what blog comments are for: to engage in discussion. If others want to make bold claims about the nature of God, I’m genuinely curious why they think the way they do. This is why I ask questions.
For the record (and more on point with the topic of this post): I completely agree that the women who are involved in porn have made a choice to do so. They are culpable for that choice, just as I am culpable for my choices. But I am grateful that I live in a world with people who show me mercy despite my choices, just as Shelley shows mercy to the women she works with who are in the industry. I would hope we all want to live in a world like that.
god has nothing to do with this…… this woman just woke up , and had enough of the disgust and the way she was treated ..or finally felt dirty about herself …. and needed an escape route, and looked to the church to try and make things right in her mind……. im catholic , and was an altar boy for 8 years…. the church is like the porn industry a fraud for a quick buck … spreading the word of the lord well they had pedophile pastors raping children…and getting away with it cause the kids parents are blind…. its like all big business like the wwf a fraud!! but you have shallow minds out there that eat this stuff up and will pay what ever price to get off…. like porn church… or wwf take your choice….. no one just walks into a situation before giving it some thought……. this women went in with her eyes wide open, made some cash , did some dirty deeds….. and felt ashamed after….. looking to clense herself….. most people dont no where to turn when they feel they have done some thing so disgusting …what does one do….??? 80% would run to a church ….. some suicide …. and some depression for life…. other would get on with there life…. and learn from there mistakes….. every one deserves another chance …just tell yourself that and get on with your life….. dont worry about god…… if there is one you will meet him when your dead.
Hi Brad,
No doubt, there have been a lot of atrocities committed by Christians, and this is sad. But why does that mean that what the church believes is false. You can meet hypocrite atheists, but that doesn’t mean, therefore, that their beliefs must be false.
Damn, It’s to bad the religious haters distracted from an intelligent discussion . I’m an atheist and if the poster thinks god cured her , that’s fine and it’s not really the issue. The discussion should be on porn workers , there environment and working conditions .
Alright, Romeo. Let’s bring it back around to the subject at hand. Anything to add to it?
I think you believe in something , That is your GOD. May be your GOD is Nature.
I confessed that i watched porn before and quite addicted to it once before and after sometimes i figure out one problem. That is why do girls nowadays lose their self-esteem or morality so fast?Being a pornstar to earn fame, money or just having fun within it?I can’t figure it out but do this phenomena is good to the society?What if this kind of thoughts continue to spread out and it seems so.For my opinion, i think act of pornography is no right.By having sex with multiple partners for living, it seems that people are getting more “animal” from civilized people. Sexual intercourse is our basic instinct but we civilized thousand years ago and now we going backwards with not using our brain but our basic instinct for living.(My grammar is not so good ,forgive me)Hope you guys may response to this or correct me if i am wrong.Thank you.
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God has the power to do anything and in the day all will see that and all people shall not be blind anymore
1 John 5:1 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
Jeremiah 29:13 KJV
And ye shall seek me, and find me , when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
”God is real, no matter how we feel”. God is the Sovereign Lord who is Holy and Pure in all He does. We were created in a pure world and were pure ourselves. But because of sin, the devil has gained the opportunity to oppress mankind. sin made the devil, and sin corrupted the world. This is reason why we even have to deal with immorality in this world. But through Christ there is love, peace and joy. Anyone who believes in Him and Him alone, can face life’s challenges and still be victorious, whether it is immorality or any other problem. We are more that conquerors through Christ who loved us. We all have to believe in Christ alone and have peace in this hope. Christ is God, and God is Christ, He is love and peace. God is rela no matter what. There is truth and then there is fact. Truth is what is correct because it is based on Gods’ Word(Jesus), but fact is wrong because it is based on human knowledge.
With God all things are possible
Please! Please! Remove God out of this he gives you a chance to choose what’s good or bad and shelley had made her money she wanted and she is saying bad about where she got her money, because she have the money she wanted. She have worked with the industry many years and now she is rich and wants to dispaise it. The question is why? She got what she wanted money or stds, let her leave other to make their money and get what they want, you have said what is there (stds). And let others choose if to get it or not, you know why because I don’t believe you are healed or never had it but leave God out of this, he gave you what you wanted and that’s it.
Exactly!
I am literally baffled by some of the comments and ignorance on this forum… I am a recovering Porn and Sex addict and i’ve kicked every other addiction including cigarettes, and this has been by far the hardest thing i’ve ever had to kick. Even with knowing the darker side of the industry it still doesn’t make it any easier to stop, it’s like it takes control of me. I came to this site instead of a porn site, because now that i’m aware of the side effects and the rewiring of the brain and i’ve seen the contrast between life with and life without it, i can’t comfortably live with continuing to indulge in this perversion. I pray that people find freedom from this pit, it is literally the darkest place i’ve ever been in my life.
Good luck my friend. Just want to say…. I love you and God bless.
“Blessed is the man who endures temptation;for when he has been approved,he will receive the crown of life which the lord has promised to those who love Him.” James 1vs12
@Conscious one; the bible says that ;whoever says ‘you fool!’ Shall be in danger of hell fire. Matthew 5vs22
I probably still can’t believe that upto this century that some people still believe that there is no God
let me ask a question
who created you? or did you probably think you just appeared on earth as a living thing and started your life
let’s take a mobile phone for example, if Samsung didn’t build the galaxy s2 or other phones, will anyone know they exist? the answer is NO
God thought and created humans giving us the power to conquer but due to the evil in the word our faith has probably ran away from us
God can perform any miracle if only you believe with a sincere act, this world is just a temporary place
don’t be deceived
how will you feel if you die and spend your entire life in hell?
remember VANITY UPON VANITY ALL ARE VANITY
porn isn’t good but people so it in other to earn money I can’t blame them but I stand firm that its an abuse
please I am only pin pointing that there’s God do do not turn a deaf ear to the truth
be warned
Wow, I used to be a Christian. I grew up as a Christian in a church going family. When I hit about 18 I began to doubt the religion as my understanding of the world and the science that governs it increased. Eventually after doing some “soul searching” I realized that the Bible is a hoax, a beautiful, intentional, elegant hoax. Think for second; you are a government official and or someone with great power and you need to control a mass of people. You can establish laws and even place authority throughout your population, or better yet you can prey off of pre-existing fears that humans naturally have. We all fear death in one way or another, it’s terrifying not knowing where you are going to go when you die, it’s scary to believe that your world is simply over when your eyes finally close. So what did those officials do? They used this natural fear against us. Not only do the morals of the Bible directly line up with the basic foundations of just about every system of government, but it threatens you with being damned to hell for eternity if you don’t remain confined within that “system”. It’s genius. I understand how confusing the world can seem, but we must move on and realize that the world, the scientific world is so much more complex, unbelievable, and magical than any religion we are able to fabricate. String theory has mathematically proven that there are at least 11 dimensions. No matter what we do, no matter how hard we think, we will never be able to fully understand what really makes our universe tick. We as species of the 3rd and 4th dimensions will never be able to truly see the other dimensions for what they truly are. It’s like telling a two dimensional being bounded on a piece of paper what a cube or a sphere looks like. I’m not entirely ruling out the slim possibility of some higher power or being, but I trust number, thus I trust math, thus I trust science and physics. They are all connected. Science is the language that speaks for our universe, we just have a difficult time understanding it.
Please i need help on how to break out form porn, i have tried all meas but i keep going round same circle.
Hi, Silas – I’m so sorry that you’ve struggled. What specifically have you tried? In my experience, for those who really want to quit but haven’t been successful, it takes drastic measures. Getting rid of electronics. Going to a short-term recovery facility (maybe a week away). Something! It’s not possible to achieve different results from the same technique. Are you willing to try something radical? Now’s the time!
Chris
If u study the universe then how u can’t see that it is intelligently designed is beyond me… Who besides God has the power to create? And people should ask their service provider to block adult material and work on not watching porn anymore read about the lives of the pornstars not the fake 15mins of lies I mean their actual lives and what STDs they end up with and why they see porn as the only way to make money for drugs or whatever… Porn isn’t a victimless crime.
Luke? I have HSV2 and I believe in God. And let me just say this on here because I will never be able to face you in person.
So well read yet so IGNORANT. People like you are some of the scariest people on Earth to me and God himself could not stop me at this point in my life from putting you to the ground and beating your face in. Then I would help you up and tell you your wrong.
I wish my anger wasn’t stronger than the sadness I feel right now. I still have love for you and for everybody on here suffering from this virus or not. One love
So the argument sails on; for nearly nine years a sensible article about a truly important subject has been turned into a squabble between believers (in a deity) and non-believers, between the “Bible belters” and the rest of the world.
This irrelevance has robbed the original article of its power and meaning.
Pornography is evil, not because it is “against religious teaching” but because of the true misery it engenders and, surprisingly for some, venereal diseases are only a very small tip of a mighty iceberg.
Let’s have a look at just a few manifestations of this evil.
Addiction is not like the chemical result from drugs, it is a result of early age viewing as a habit that makes the preposterous theatricality of commercial pornography become the norm and enhances the myth that women are subservient to men. Pornography, to the addict, therefore engenders the view that morality, dignity of the individual and the formally accepted norms of society are, at best, redundant.
Crime: As long ago as 1972, The New York times stated “In less than four years, organized‐crime “families” in New York have made pornography their fastest‐growing new racket. How much has that hold on such a lucrative ‘side line’ grown in the half century since then? Every viewing, every magazine purchased adds money to the coffers of the crime bosses.
Human Misery: Sex trade trafficking, is one of the greatest evils of an evil trade, today, the number of slaves in the world far exceeds any number during the thousands of years of mans inhumanity to mankind. People from poor countries, desperate for a better life have been tricked and coerced into moving to another country and forced into the sex industry, either into prostitution or pornography – and this includes small children.
The list of human miseries engendered by the porn industry is tragically endless.
Here I have mentioned only three aspects of pornography’s dangers. There are many more and that is the true issue of this article, not whether there is some sort of mysterious “Spirit” up in the clouds who, one day will make it all right. Human misery is here today and only human action can resolve it.
Hmm it’s very good everybody is coming out with an opinion it sounds great but you’ve got believe this God or very real and he exist you know one about God is he shows up in the right time so let no man be deceived us let’s live the way God want to us to do until he show up in his glorious throne .
Porn is devilish act don’t give your life to it thank you .
May the Good God who called u into this ministry to save the perishing, dying will contine to uphold u and give u more vision on how to go about it. So that at the end they will glorify God for what God have used u to do in their lives in Jesus name. We will be praying for u people.
This is just like anything else corrupt! Someone tried to speak out about something bad and instead of people attacking them over their evil deeds they attacked this woman over telling the truth about them!
God doesn’t exist people. if he did then he’s just watching us like an interesting TV show. Even if he does hear your prayers, he does not have to do as u say as u r not the boss of him. The God in the Bible was made by weak people and very aggressive people. Abraham was in the Bible and he killed four kings. David killed just a whole bunch of people(was psycho). The Bible is basically a collection of borrowed stories from other legends and myths. And u dont want to know how old the Bible people thought the world(and universe) was.
Also yeah, y r we arguing about whether god exists or not in an anti-pornography article?
Hi John
Have you ever brought yourself to read an epistle of Apostle Paul. If you heard, you wouldn’t have said these things that you say.
The thing is that the moment we truly appreciate the wonders of creation and the Creator, only then shall we come to terms with the fact that there is something spiritual about everything.
The devil covers many people’s eyes. He has blinded the eyes of many people’s minds and understanding.
This Gospel that is preached here shouldn’t be a surprise to us. In fact, if we can’t make God out of an anti-pornographic article, then we are really going to get nowhere.
Believe me, the devil is right here seeking ways to thwart the message of the Gospel from this article.
At least, some of us here must have heard of the Parable of the Sower. We shouldn’t forget the encounter of the word of God with the different kinds and prepositions of hearts
This message about God that has been talked about here could be the last message you would ever hear.
God is ever loving to make you hear this message now….and ever just to send you to hell fire if you do not repent of your sins.
My advice to you is that you should not take the messages affirming God here, lightly.
To the Gentiles, foolishness; and to the Jews, a stumbling block.
A carnal man cannot understand the things of the Spirit because they are spiritually discerned.
Our natural mind is in enmity with God. The flesh can never please God.
Finally, I will have to recommend you to the scriptures.
You could borrow a Bible from someone and read the book if Romans chapter 8.
I pray that you will not be too late in Jesus’ name. Amen.
Amen Benjamin, I thank God for using you to do His Work.Amen.
In addition to this, I would love to advise all people to Read the Word of God constantly, especially the New Testament, those letters of Paul, people will surely start to see, blindness has a cure and that’s the so-called truth
All the same, concerning the article, there are three main weapons that are, unfortunately, effectively used by Satan to draw people away from God.
They are; the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life.
Pornography is encompassed in two of them already, especially the lust of the flesh.
There is this saying that a small leaven leavens the whole loaf. This is exactly what the devil is doing and trying to achieve.
Many people have already nurtured the idea that sex organs and sexual desires were incorporated in the making of mankind, and to that effect, they tend to miss the whole idea.
I don’t want to start diving into the concept of sex, about who should and who shouldn’t participate in it, cos it will be a while lot.
But I want to make this clear, pornography is very evil and devilish.
The devil is a liar. He is the father of all liars. In fact, when he lies, he speaks of his nature. He is the greatest deceiver that has ever existed.
The point I am trying to make here is that I don’t how much convincing that you have given yourself so that your whole being will accept acting/watching pornography is at all alright.
My dear and beloved, all those things are lies.
Okay, cone to think of it, if we co e assume that watching pornography relieves us from sexual desires, I doubt anyone here can indicate that all his sexual fantasies and desires have been completely satisfied and relieved of.
In truth, we can’t ignore the obvious. Watching pornography only increases those urges…..I have once been a full-time victim of this.
The more you watch the lesser satisfied you become.
In economics as a subject of study, we are taught that human wants are limitless and can never be satisfied. The same applies here.
Although, as to satisfaction, I have a secret to that. And my secret is God.
When we come closer to Him without straying thoughts, we realize that these lusts of the flesh seem to vanish.
I would recommend someone in this trouble to reading the word of God. His word is living and active. Sharper than any double–edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
As to conclusion, the purpose of the article cannot be overemphasized. Anything pornography is dangerous to everyone involved in it.
Wow, well said man! All the “joys” of life can’t satisfy us if they’re done apart from God and against His word. A righteous man who lives to be Christ like and a servant of his Creator will find true satisfaction, satisfaction that porn could never satisfy
Porn!!! Porn is older than me, I found it here and I guess amma leave it behind, but one thing I saw in the comment section were people questioning the power of God to heal herpes, don’t question God of his work,his existence,or anything, if you believe, stick to obedience,if you don’t believe well and Good……..God is not to be included in our reckless living,He must be respected above anything that’s ever existed..
Shelley, I hope you are still alive and kicking to read this message, I greet you in the name of Our Gracious Lord Jesus, the King of all kings, most powerful of all.
I want you to know that your whole life you were called to serve God and all this joining of the porn Industry, exiting, and coming to speak out is not and must not look like a coincidence to you, God is behind it all,He is bringing out the truth to public about porn, I feel very happy to have read your story.
Shelley, repent and totally give your life to Jesus, …….I want to pray that after you read this message God heals you from any disease you got from The Porn industry, so long as you have given your life to Him, so that you will testify And may The Name of God be Glorified.Thank You
I think I have just gone to church I read more about god than I did about a porno
Hi,you all…! Believers as well as unbelievers and doubters. Heteros,bisexuals,gays,lesbians,
transvestites,transsexuals and asexuals.You are all loved by God,for He died not for one man,but for us all!
One of my hundreds of mottos goes:
No believer has ever come even slightly closer to God by abstaining from their sin,but many have become free from their sin by moving closer to God. I am a 50 year old Norwegian, born from a royal viking lineage,my forfather was king of the western part of Norway and fought together with Harald Hårfarge,(Harald-Fair-Haired).
Who was also a devoted Christian.
As off course,am I as well.Since 1990, on February the 2’nd. That was the night God fetched me in a dream,and took me to heaven. I was 19.And lost for words when I awoke.In my boyhood at the age of eight I fell into the hands of pedofiles,ending up as a child prostitute,until the age of 16.By
then I had been raped three times.And sexually group humiliated once. These experiences molded me into a totally submissive slavetype mentality
-which still follows me. So does my amphetamine addiction. You see,after
starting my obligatory service to King and nation in the military,
I participated in a global experiment to rid the world of the Meningococcal
disease,caused by the Neisseria meningitidis bacteria. Many of us died from this early vaccine,and among those of us who survived 30-40% of us contracted Narcolepsy,ME,or like myself-both.A particularly nasty combo,where the one enhances the fast activation cycle-frequency of the other.A dimly rapped gift from the devil himself…! But my faith he can not touch. Even less my being fully assured. As my mentor once said: Satan can only dress his shopping windows to look the most possibly enticing,but you are the one to decide whether or whether not to enter and buy from his store…!
To close,another of my mottos goes:
There does not exist a negative thought so positive,that it even deserves being thought through.
Live long-And prosper!Mr.L.J.Larsen.
By the way:My first and middle name
together:(Lars and Jone) actually means:The laurel-crowned victorer-Whom God is with!A cool combo,dyt?
Thanks for your nice post I really like it and appreciate it.
now you all want our understanding and to warm up to you. The way I see it you were adults and went in with your eyes wide open. I never ever like porn women or the men, What your experiencing now is reaping what you sowed. Now you see the light because the law of averages caught up to you. Sorry but i don’t feel bad for you. I used to but not anymore because if std had never came into your life and no hiv you would still be doing it. i have prayed for you all to repent and recover and be healed but it was of your own doing
religion is your demise, pagan freedom brings satyrical pleasures to all who admire the holy truth of the free body! Your God weeps.
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Despite all of these negative effects of the industry, people will still keep producing and working on it because it is one of the most profitable industries in terms of money making. :(
Awesome and interesting article. Great things you’ve always shared with us
That’s an eye-opening article. People need to hear your story. God bless you
Well doing all Porn related can’t be justified in anyway because doing so will be a establishment that people can earn a living through lawlessness just like stealing. So those pinheads justifying their acts here’s something for you. We can always undress our minds beautifully.
First off I can’t personally say anything as to Shelley since I didn’t know her she quit before I started working as a cinematographer, however if you type her name in Google search and put scam behind it you can find all sorts of things. That being said not all adult studios are the same or have the same practices in place, half of the story is BS and the other half taken out of context or misconstrued for example female actresses are not paid a hundred dollars try adding a zero, female actresses are paid more than male actors and they are the ones who should be complaining because they start at 200, some female performers do strip webcam and prostitute what they do in their personal life should not be reflected on a porn studio in any manner it’s their choice to engage in those activities nor is it the studios responsibility for what bad things happen as a result to their own misconduct. California laws have been enforcing the industry for years certain studios no longer exist because of their breaking of laws. The top four studio’s have the highest and strictest STD policy’s in place for everyone involved including the production crew’s. Yes occasionally there’s a problem and production is shutdown and the problem is usually solved. Metaphor of you purchased a brand new car and you find out there is a recall on a part it’s your choice to take it back to the manufacturer or go to a mom and Pop car shop and get it fixed if that shop screw up your car that was your fault not the manufacturer’s problem. It always amazing to me female and male performer always seem to talk bad about the industry when they have been fired or retired for other health reasons that really had nothing to do with the industry. I’m a retired photographer but it’s my eyesight that is the problem not the industries fault I have stigmatism and none of the anti porn actresses ever confess to the fact that they willingly engage in said acts in the first place the biggest misconstrued concept is the porn you are watching is real in the first place it’s acting every detail is faked you just don’t see it because a editor cut it out of the actual taping. Even casting calls are fake sex doesn’t happen in a casting call maybe solo masterbation but not sex. It’s a business and no business is going to willfully jeopardize themselves by having sex with a amateur performer with out testing and other legal things in place. Performers on drugs like marijuana are subject to testing but that is again not a studio problem marijuana is now legal in California we can’t enforce not using it.