Here are two contrasting cultural beliefs for you to consider:
- Sex is the best thing on the planet
- Heaven is full of the best things we can imagine
So if both of these things are true, why does the Bible tell us there won’t be any sex in heaven?
No Sex in Heaven?
In Matthew 22:30, Jesus says, “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.”
I’ve expounded elsewhere how God designed sex to happen within marriage only, so we can naturally deduce here, as the original listeners would have automatically, that if there is no marriage in heaven, there is also no sex.
No sex in heaven? Many might ask what the other options are at this point!
One of the reasons this news shocks us is because we view sex and heaven selfishly. Culturally, sex has become a selfish act of consumption. And our view of heaven is typically a place of self-centered utopia. We picture beaches and paradise and all the pleasure for ourselves that we can dream of, often not with much thought about God being around at all. This me-centered paradise is a great match for lots of sex for all of eternity. In fact, several of the main world religions promise this (maybe a clue that those religions were made up by a man? But I digress…)
But thank goodness that’s not what heaven, or sex, is meant to be according to the Bible.
Sex is a one-flesh relationship that bonds a man and a woman together in every way possible. It’s why this one-flesh relationship can only function healthily within marriage. The one-flesh bond includes full acceptance and commitment to all a person is, not simply their body parts (Gen. 2:24, Matt. 19:4-6, 1 Cor. 6:15-16). You are one flesh, at all times, in all ways, which can’t be undone.
This sounds pretty amazing, and deep, and night-and-day different from what our culture calls “sex” today. But there’s more. This sex and this one flesh don’t exist for their own end. They aren’t the destination, they are simply another sign post. A sign post pointing to where?
What Sex Really Points To
After giving a treatise on marriage and sex, Ephesians 5 concludes with the following:
“’For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.’ This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church” (Eph. 5:31-32).
Heyo! The whole time Paul was talking about husbands and wives and marriage and sex in Ephesians 5, it says here he was actually talking about Jesus and us! Marriage and sex are metaphors for the relationship we have with Jesus.
What is a metaphor? It is a sign post. It points to the real thing. It’s something tangible we can look at in order to understand something else. It’s a symbol we can learn from in order to understand and experience the real thing.
The real thing is the one-flesh relationship Jesus desires to have with each of us. It’s the relationship he has with those who call themselves Christians. It’s a relationship of intimate love and acceptance and support and trust, where Jesus is the groom and we are the bride. Earthly marriage and sex are symbols that can help point us toward the real thing.
This is why there is no sex in heaven. You don’t need sign posts when you’ve arrived at the destination!
It’d be like driving to Disney World and parking the car at the green highway sign with the white text of “DISNEY WORLD” and the white arrow pointing to the off ramp. Imagine parking your car there, taking a selfie with the family, and then driving home, telling everyone you’d been to Disney World!
The destination is always better than the sign post.
Heaven Is Not a Perpetual Fast
Some might disagree! But the reason for the disagreement is because we’ve been worshiping the sign post for far too long and we simply don’t have the full experience of the real thing yet. In talking of the perspective that heaven would be a “perpetual fast” from sex in the minds of some, C.S. Lewis had this to say:
“…or else of a perpetual fast. As regards the fast, I think our present outlook might be like that of a small boy who, on being told that the sexual act was the highest bodily pleasure, should immediately ask whether you ate chocolates at the same time. On receiving the answer no, he might regard absence of chocolates as the chief characteristic of sexuality. In vain would you tell him that the reason why lovers in their carnal raptures don’t bother about chocolates is that they have something better to think of. The boy knows chocolate: he does not know the positive thing that excludes it.
We are in the same position. We know the sexual life; we do not know, except in glimpses, the other thing which, in Heaven, will leave no room for it.”
-C.S. Lewis, as quoted in a 1947 Time Magazine article
A boy can’t understand if you try to tell him sex is the highest bodily pleasure, because he is convinced chocolate is and isn’t ready to understand sex. We can’t understand that pure intimacy with God in his direct presence is what makes heaven, Heaven, not that it’s some me-centered place where we eat Bons Bons on the beach, while watching Netflix, and of course, having sex. Nor can we fully grasp that intimacy with God is better than sex, both now and for all eternity. But the truth remains, which we are exhorted to believe and live by.
This is fantastic news. We worship sex on earth, but it’s also our place of deepest longing and brokenness. A single person feels unloved because they don’t have a sexual partner. A married person goes to pornography, an affair, or fantasy, because the sexual partner they do have isn’t satisfying them.
The Answer to Our Longing for Sex
The answer to our longing for sex is not sex! It’s intimacy with Jesus. We get to experience this intimacy on earth. This unconditional love where God adopts us as his sons and daughters and is well-pleased with us and we are fully accepted into his arms because of what Jesus did on the cross for us. But imagine this experience in a fully direct, physical way. Wow! That is heaven.
This gives us reason to not worship sex and it also reminds us we don’t need sex. Whether we experience the sign post or not is somewhat irrelevant. What is relevant is that we take God at his word that the destination will be much better, attuning all of our navigational tools toward that destination, not any metaphor, imitation, or sign post along the way.
Of course, the child who loves chocolate before he discovers sex, would still love chocolate. They are not mutually exclusive.
But if the chocolate was no longer available and sex was, the satisfaction level would still be complete, would it not? I venture the chocolate would not be missed!
Bitcoin, yes it would because it fulfills a different desire than sex. It makes experiences we can have less than before. Simply because something is better does not make anything else not desired anymore. That’s manipulation of free will.
Of course in heaven marriage would be something that endures regardless of whether someone did a ceremony and murmured some Mumbo jumbo.
Sex is unlikely because we will be something more. It won’t bother us.
If we returned to Earth then we would likely want sex again. But it is just a taste of something bigger.
Richard Lawrence and Patti Mercado, In Luke 20:36 Jesus states one of the reasons for no more marrying is because the saved resurrected can’t die anymore but will be like the angels in heaven. The contrast to angels is not sexual desire, He contrasted mortality with immortality. Marry meant the male proposing for the woman to be his wife and being given in marriage meant the father giving her to the proposer. It’s customs to be married, not marriage itself. Adam and Eve were married without marrying or being given in marriage. The reason for the Sadducee’s question was that the levirate law required a woman to marry the next oldest brother of her husband if he died without children. They thought if the woman hadn’t fulfilled the purpose of that law, she would still need to be married to all the brothers or they’d be sinning. If she did that, she and the men would commit polygamy which is also a sin, so to avoid sin, God wouldn’t resurrect everyone forever. They thought all of God’s laws would be needed in a renewed world, not knowing that the reason for recreating is to restore creation to before those laws were needed. Keeping marriage does not contradict Jesus’s answer to the Sadducees because the woman they asked about is only required to marry any of those men with the levirate law. The law ending does not forbid her from being married to a different man. It’s a false dilemma. Jesus’s mention of not being able to die would make no sense unless he only meant legal customs to marry because death is not a reason for marriage. It says in Revelation 20:6 that those who are awakened in the first resurrection won’t suffer for eternity. These are the same people in the prophecy in Isaiah 65:17-25. If Jesus said that those worthy to attain the age of the resurrection won’t marry or be given in marriage and are also said to continue being married and reproducing, that’s proof that Jesus only meant legal marriage customs will be gone. Would any of the people who heard Jesus answer been amazed at it if he meant sexuality would be eliminated? I’m pretty sure Jews had as much sexual desire as most other people, so would have despaired if that was the context.
At the beginning of creation, God said for us to be fruitful and multiply with no indication it was to ever stop. There would need to be a bigger earth to fit all physical beings that have ever lived by the time of the resurrection. God expands the entire universe. doing the same to any planet shouldn’t conflict with his plans. Marriage was the only thing God said is not good to be without before creating it. After Eve was made and brought to Adam, it says for this reason shall people be united with a spouse to become one flesh. Jesus repeats this in Matthew 19:4-5 and Mark 10:6-7 and Paul does in Ephesians 5:31. “For this reason” means it’s the only reason. Reproduction and representing God’s relationship are not reasons stated anywhere in scripture. If gender remains, so does marriage. If Jesus’s answer meant no one will be married, then it contradicts us being male and female being the reason for marriage, and God’s promise to restore all creation in Acts 3:21 and 24:15, 2 Peter 3:13, Romans 8:20-23 and 32 and other prophecies. After God made marriage, He called everything very good. The beginning conditions of the creation don’t need improving because God doesn’t change.
Many Christians have claimed that something unspecified would be needed to make life better forever and would also make sexuality useless, ignoring the fact that marriage was something needed for creation to not be missing anything good. It’s contradictory and more akin to Buddhism than Christianity. If having something better is a reason to eliminate sex, it’s a reason to eliminate everything God made, and we should all just feel God’s presence, getting joy from that and never doing anything else for eternity. If simply having a sinless relationship with God makes marriage useless, then God would have had no reason to create gender and sex, because God had the kind of relationship with Adam and Eve that people will have with Him in the renewed creation. If God eliminated sexuality then the distinguishing shapes of the gender’s faces, body shapes for sexual attraction, parts used for sexual pleasure, and reproduction would all be wasted. Gender having other functions is no reason to get rid of any of them. They’re all part of what makes us the genders we are and God doesn’t create anything expendable. The human female figure is shaped the way it is to fit babies during birth, and sperm, egg cells, and wombs are used only for reproduction.
If Jesus’s answer to the Sadducees meant no one will be married anymore, no one can be married to Jesus as a replacement. God is described as a husband to people in Hosea 2:7, Isaiah 45:5, Jeremiah 31:32, Ezekiel 16:8, and other Old Testament texts. That didn’t replace marriage either, because they’re analogies just as the wife of the lamb is in Revelation. They are different types of relationships that fulfill different desires. If marriage is a representation of Jesus’s relationship with the church, then people would have to have sinned so Jesus would have to redeem us. God is not going to create something that requires what He hates.
If you are made unable to care about something you’re passionate about, it’s manipulation of free will. Sin is a selfish way to try satisfying a desire, that makes us less satisfied afterward. Removing sin doesn’t manipulate free will. That’s not the same as removing a basic desire for any sensation. They think that since they don’t think of the joy that would be gone from losing that passion for eternity, that wanting to keep something God said wasn’t good to be without is the problem. They’re so obsessed simply with being eternally satisfied that they don’t know it’s only hopeful because it’s by restoration of all God made, not a replacement for any of it. That would make anything God made for us irrelevant. There’s a book all about the joy of sexuality: Song of Songs, and doesn’t imply that marriage is useless without reproduction. There’s no bible book devoted to the joy of any other creation. Heaven isn’t the final destination, it’s the renewed earth. The only thing that needs to be gone is what sin did.
Sex is a temporal occupation and it only happens here and nowhere else in the universe. We are the only beings created in God’s image in entire universe…Lucifer himself envies our privilege because he is NOT created in God’s image. Sex completes us because we actively participate in creation. Satan and other heavenly beings cannot reproduce in this or any other fashion.
Since sex’s primary objective is to populate the earth no one from our world will enter eternity by being born into it. Once redeemed reproduction will cease eliminating the need/use for sex.
Unity with God as one entity will preoccupy us with joy and objectives that are beyond our comprehension. No eye has seen, no ear has heard, it has not even come to mind the things that God has prepared for His Children. My naughty self says eternity feels like a perfect, constant, energising and eternal orgasm experienced through your entire being. Like I said thinking about eternity and our future state will drive you mad.
Bitonicon, wrong! Sex would not make chocolate redundant. But I’m guessing heaven will be filled with great pleasures that make marriage and sex redundant. Gender will never be redundant though.
What is “chaste sexual love”? Appreciating the beauty and outward attractiveness of the opposite sex without actually wanting to have sex with him/her. Sexual appreciation?
To say that romantic relationships and sexual activity are redundant because we have Jesus is like saying that food and beverage is redundant, like saying that trees, animals, rivers, mountains, possessions, and such are redundant. But many of those things will still be in Heaven, so they are obviously not redundant.
“This gives us reason to not worship sex and it also reminds us we don’t need sex.”
There are many ways to worship sex that often don’t get recognized as such. Sexual licentiousness, otherwise known as “reducing it to body parts” may be one way. But how about some other ways:
1. Extreme asceticism, or the worship of sex avoidance: I know of a man who said he married his wife specifically because he considered her so physically unattractive that it would help him with his battle with lust. I don’t think he told HER that, fortunately, because what wife would ever want to hear that. Another form of this asceticism is what the Spiritual Friendship movement advocates for same-sex attracted Christians, which is the creation of a marriage-lite alternative for gays and lesbians. They say it will be celibate but also bonded for life. Under this scenario, two gay men can adopt children and live together in a family-ish structure, as long as their physical contact is limited to hand-holding and an occasional closed-mouth kiss.
2. The perfect as the enemy of the good: Holding sex in marriage hostage to the perfect expression of it as an excuse not to engage in it at all. Al Mohler said “Consider the fact that a woman has every right to expect that her husband will earn access to the marriage bed.” So what does it take for him to earn access? So if he doesn’t earn access then sex is cut off? Now who is “worshipping sex”? We have taken a gift from God to be shared in marriage without restrictions and now created a whole list of legalistic restrictions to apply even in marriage. Sexual legalism is another aspect of worship.
3. Sexual anger/paranoia: Chris Taylor of https://forgivenwife.com/ says that she came to hate sex because of her mistrust of her husband and believed that the only reason he wanted sex was because he was selfish. So to give her husband something he wanted was, by definition, a loss for her.
4. My body, my choice: Julie Siebert said she lost her first marriage because of sexual withholding. It was a control issue. To have sex with her husband was to give up control of her own body. Even though 1 Corinthians 7 says our bodies belong to each other, modern feminism says “my body, my choice” whether it regards having sex in marriage or carrying a baby to full term.
Saying “we don’t need sex” is true as it regards physical survival. But a marriage covenant is not really marriage without it. If you’re saying you don’t need to have regular sexual relations within a marriage, then you might as well say you don’t need conversation, trust, sacrifice, etc. You’re not going to die without those either. But sex is the one thing in marriage where some so-called marriage experts in the church can say we don’t need without pushback. Why sex and not the other aspects of marriage?
I had a marriage counselor say exactly that – “You don’t need sex. Sex is a desire not a need. You’re not going to die without it.” Then my wife got to list all of her marital “needs” with no contradiction from the marriage counselor. The message was: Sexless marriage is A-OK. And if you want something better, husband, you’re going to have to earn it.
Well said. Sex is the glue that holds marriage together. It’s a special gift for each spouse to give to the other. And in giving, we receive. Sometimes we have to go very slowly and learn together. BUT the point of the article is not about this physical life. It is about how much GREATER will be the spiritual life with God forever. “But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away” (1 Cor. 13:10). “For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us” (Rom. 8:18). I think it could also be said that the wonderful things of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. I realize that is not the context and that I added to Scripture. But if the earthly experience was the pinnacle of existence, we would have no reason to “desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:” (Phil. 1:23).
Pouple will not need affection and nearness?
If so we be like dolls!
That will not be lifegiving!
What kind of crazy new age psychobabble nonsense, theological claptrap is THIS??!!!!
This description of a “marriage” is a very powerful grenade with the pin pulled waiting to explode with devastating spiritual psychological relational destructive force.
This needs to be condemned in the blackest terms!
‘Lest you become as little children, you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven’ – children don’t develop sexual urges until about 8 years old, so when in heaven we simply won’t have those urges. You can’t miss what you don’t know.
How ignorant can people be? God already told us His will is for what He made to be restored. That’s why He’s going to recreate. He made everything He did for pleasure and His glory. Eden means pleasure. That’s why God recreating is something to hope for. It wouldn’t matter that God gave us desires for what He made if He was going to do something to make people not desire some of it anymore. That’s manipulating free will. 1 Samuel 15:29 Also the Glory of Israel will not lie nor change His mind; for He is not a man, that He would change His mind. God called His creation very good when he finished. God’s standard for good and evil doesn’t change. He’s going to restore everything because He’s sovereign. What sin did to creation is what needs to be gone, not anything it ruined. It would have been pointless for God to warn Adam and Eve not to eat the forbidden fruit if He was going to eliminate anything anyway.
Genesis 2:18 Then the Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him.” 24 For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh. Isaiah 65 17-19 “For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former things will not be remembered or come to mind. 18 But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create; For behold, I create Jerusalem for rejoicing and her people for gladness. 19 I will also rejoice in Jerusalem and be glad in My people; And there will no longer be heard in her the voice of weeping and the sound of crying. 22-23: They will not build and another inhabit, they will not plant and another eat; For as the lifetime of a tree, so will be the days of My people, and My chosen ones will fully enjoy the work of their hands. 23 They will not labor in vain, or give birth to children for disaster; For they are the descendants of those blessed by the Lord, and their descendants with them. 25 The wolf and the lamb will graze together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox; and dust will be the serpent’s food. They will do no evil or harm on all My holy mountain,” says the Lord. Acts 3:21 Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets. Romans 8:20–23 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons and daughters, the redemption of our body. Romans 8:32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things?
The belief being so popular with Christians that you should only care about having a restored relationship with God and being with many other people for eternity makes me wonder if I hate God if that isn’t enough to satisfy me. They imply that wanting everything God called good restored is no different than the prosperity gospel: the belief that God is just a source of material gain to make someone happy instead of the greatest satisfaction Himself. I’m still more sure God will restore everything good and that we should hope for that. God wouldn’t prophesy it if we’re not supposed to care.
This is an amazing article Pastor Noah! Mind-boggling. I mean intimacy with Jesus is EVERYTHING.
Excellent post, Noah! Thank you. Very helpful.
There is so much good and helpful information on your website. I have found it truly helpful in my struggle against pornography addiction.
I do, however, believe this article is wrong in a very fundamental way. Marriage will exist in heaven. Families will exist in heaven. And sexual intimacy will exist as well. However, it will be coupled with a glory and intensity that we cannot now experience.
Can you really imagine heaven without the ones you love most? That to me seems completely foreign. I think God intends to preserve and exalt these relationships through the grace of Christ if we follow his laws. And that it is these family relationships that actually define heaven. God is our Father, the father of our spirits. He wants us to grow and be like him…like any good father would.
In fact to try to understand heaven without understanding the family centeredness of heaven is to completely miss the boat. I think many if not most Christians fundamentally understand this and that this is why we are the ones leading the fight against attacks on the family and for programs like “Focus on the Family”, “Family talk”, etc.
So, what about the scripture like the one in Matthew? Well, read it again. It doesn’t say there will be no married persons, only that there will be no marriages performed in heaven. And that is correct. Marriages have to performed in this life by God’s authorized servants. A civil marriage, while important for this life, has no validity in the next. It must be performed by God’s authority. Same as the ordinance of baptism.
The strongest motive for me to be clean and to fight temptation is to know that if I am true to my wife, she and I can be together with our children and continue to enjoy the intimacy and love that can only be found in marriage and family life.
I think Matthew 22:30 is very clear about no marriage in heaven, other than the marriage of Christ and his church. The doctrine of marriage in heaven is Mormon theology not Evangelical Christian theology.
No it’s not, it’s referring only to legal customs to regulate marriage. The reason for the sadducees question was that the levirate law required a person to marry someone if another died without children, so they thought if the woman hadn’t fulfilled the purpose of that law, she would still need to be married to them or they’d be sinning. If she did that, she and the men would commit polygamy which is also a sin so God wouldn’t resurrect anyone for eternity. They assumed that all of Gods laws would still be applicable in a renewed world, not understanding that the entire reason for recreating is to restore the conditions before those laws were needed, which included sexual passion. This is why Jesus mentions no death as a reason for not marrying and being given in marriage. Marriage is the only thing God said wasn’t good to be without before creating it and was needed for everything to be very good. After Adam and Eves first meeting it’s written that us being male and female is the reason people shall become one flesh with a spouse. Jesus quotes this when asked about divorce in Matthew 19:4-5 and Mark 10:6-7, and Paul does in Ephesians 5:31. If gender remains the reason for marriage does. Eliminating marriage would also waste sperm, egg cells and wombs, and the human female body shape is made to fit babies during birth and feed them afterward. It’s also for attracting males. Keeping sexual passion is justified, or else not everything will be restored, contradicting Gods promise that is stated in Romans 8:20-22 Acts 3:21 as well as the explicit reasons for marriage existing. It’s also a manipulation of free will to forcefully eliminate a passion for something God created us to have.
WILL THERE BE PHYSICAL RELATIONS IN HEAVEN BETWEEN PEOPLE?
Very nice
Thank you for this post. This is something that I have thought deeply about but of course never could articulate it so profoundly, eloquently and with such theological preciseness.
I’m sorry, but the analogy of a boy who wants chocolate is a very flawed analogy, with all due respect to Mr. Lewis. No one is asking the child to give up chocolate as a condition for having sex. People can and do continue to enjoy chocolate long into their active love lives; in fact, it often outlasts it! The “canned” interpretation of Jesus answer to the Sadducees is that we *will* give up our sexual/romantic companionship with love partners as a condition for being “married” to Christ. That is a very different prospect. One that I don’t agree with.
I am also not convinced that Jesus’ words have been interpreted best to mean “no marriage in heaven.” Let’s not forget that God’s Word is eternal.
“And Jesus said to them, ‘The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage, but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and to the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage, for they cannot die anymore, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection'” (Luke 20:34-36 ESV).
It is easy to jump to conclusions, but let’s delve into it. Notice He says no one will “marry” or “be given”, and that these are both verbs. Jesus doesn’t mention those who are married. Now, marriage is not an earthly thing but a spiritual thing: “Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh” (Genesis 2:24). Becoming “one flesh” isn’t something that can be explained physically, but the act of God. And we know that what God says is everlasting (Isaiah 40:8: The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God will stand forever). These explications should be enough to posit that what is commonly accepted about marriage in heaven is neither faultless nor final.
Even without these insights, there are questions justified by asking Christians who despair in the thought of losing their special relationship with their spouse upon going to heaven. Why would God establish marriage, to have it disestablished in heaven, when he can do anything? (I’m saying that he could of created a completely different structure for people to be born, for women to be provided for historically, for inheritances to be passed down, etc., then to completely disassemble Marriage between people in the later life). Many answers will also say we will have a special relationship with our loved ones while preaching dogmatically that there is no marriage in eternal life. If there is no spiritual union established by God between the saints, then on what basis is that belief founded? These questions and many more should lead Christians to look into Scripture and similarily evaluate it as I have.
But about sex. Will we have our seperate organs in heaven? What purpose will they serve? (it is entirely plausible that they will be like badges that glorify God, but the point is that the answer to this question isn’t certain). Sex is a good thing, made by God. Is it possible that sex will be in a higher form that we can’t understand now? Nowhere in the Bible does it say that there will no eating in heaven; it does say that the tree of life will be in the holy city. The opinion that there is no sex is only a conjecture. Rather than the Word rejecting sex in heaven, drawing parallels between it and other activities (as one way to search for truth), it leans toward the reality of sex in heaven, not like here on Earth, but transformed.
Let’s be aware of our sin nature and how we see everything through a broken lens. By surmising that “there is sex in heaven”, it is not asserting that we will have pleasure in each other and not God. One can believe in sex in heaven, and believe we will be married to Christ in heaven (if there is disagreement, then show me your texts). Sex, if in heaven, is doubtless not like sex here in a broken world.
We will live in a holy city, where the glory of God will fill every part. We will also be serving God (Revelation 22:3). If a city, I assume each one will tasked (and find joy in it) with something that God intends for them (perhaps similar to things we have passion for on Earth). There will be activities; it will not be like a hallucinogenic state of ‘maximum joy’, certainly not like anything induced by narcotics. There will likely be times of greater joy (Luke 15:7). If work, then something to devote oneself to; if a city, then likely events. It would seem at least plausible that sex exists, and that it isn’t idolatry, in the same way that focusing on work or events in heaven, is idolatry. These latter two don’t spark debate, but sex (in all its topics) has a way of creating a divide between people: (in this case) people who have a more open view, or people who have a more closed view, and neither is better than the other, but reflect different truths (i.e., God created sex as good so it must be also ordained in heaven, or, Christ alone satisfies us so sex is unnecessary and therefore must be absent from heaven, respectively). So taking the open view, sex is as weird as having jobs in heaven, in other words, not at all. And the points I’ve made shows that while the Bible doesn’t give us a clear answer, it leans toward sex, created by God, to be enjoyed some way in heaven (just as other activities are enjoyed).
It’s 2:30 in the morning here and my thumbs should rest, but I felt compelled to say this, as a reply to Germán and to open more discourse on this topic. I don’t discuss some things, for the reason that I do not have enough knowledge at the moment (e.g., what if you have had multiple marriaged or none at all?). I think these few points are enough to warrant consideration. As a fellow Christian I keep this in mind, “For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known” (1 Corinthians 13:12). We will know there, but I have my hope here.
German, well said, while C.S. Lewis was brilliant, his analogy of a boy who wants chocolate is indeed a very flawed analogy, Tom Gruber pointed that out,
German, personally with me and food, Pizza, Chinese Food, Hamburgers, Hot Dogs, etc. are much better than oatmeal, yet I still would never stop eating oatmeal , one does not negate another or render it irrelevant . I still eat oatmeal at times and enjoy it
Ezekiel 37:25
²⁵They will live int he land I gave to my servant Jacob; the land where your ancestors lived. They and their children and their children’s children will live there forever, and David my servant will be their prince forever. ²⁶I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant. I will establish them and 𝗶𝗻𝗰𝗿𝗲𝗮𝘀𝗲 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗶𝗿 𝗻𝘂𝗺𝗯𝗲𝗿𝘀, and I will put my sanctuary among them forever. ²⁷My dwelling place will be with them; I will be their God, and they will be my people. ²⁸Then the nations will know that I the LORD will make Israel holy, when my sanctuary is among them forever.
Now, some might still argue that this is talking about unresurrected saints. However, it says forever; what does forever mean if it doesn’t mean what it says? “Forever” does not mean “1000 years” by any stretch of the definition! One could argue that God’s promise to Israel is for a world of unresurrected people to keep multiplying and producing children forever, who will then die and go to heaven, but this contradicts the Christian belief in the End Times. For a world like the present world to go on forever means the “End” would never come. It also contradicts the belief that death will be abolished. Death and a resurrected world cannot co-exist, so if death is a reason for marriage, then that statement in Ezekiel would not make sense. Finally, some could argue that people living there forever with their children and children’s children refers to children who were previously born on earth, but it also says God will 𝗶𝗻𝗰𝗿𝗲𝗮𝘀𝗲 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗶𝗿 𝗻𝘂𝗺𝗯𝗲𝗿𝘀. How could God increase their numbers if it’s referring to a static place where the numbers of people are complete? Therefore, I think this is clear evidence that people are misinterpreting Matthew 22:30.
Wow. I’m genuinely surprised at the strange interpretations of the Bible that I just read. Jesus was specifically dealing with how people would sort out former marriages when they got to heaven. He specifically said there will not be marriage in heaven. This isn’t about how you feel; it’s about what God said. He included that passage so that we understand that God has something bigger and better in our future.
False, In Luke 20:36 Jesus states one of the reasons for not marrying and being given in marriage is because the righteous resurrected can’t die anymore but will be like the angels in heaven. The contrast to angels is not about sexual desire, he’s contrasting mortality with immortality. Marry meant the male proposing for the woman to be his wife and being given in marriage meant the father giving her to the proposer, because she didn’t get a choice. It is actions done to be married, not marriage itself. Adam and Eve were married without marrying or being given in marriage. The question the sadducees asked was about the resurrection, not marriage. It was about a scenario where a woman was legally obligated to marry a brother of the previous husband if they had no children before one of the men died. She had children with none of them, so they thought that it was dissobeying God if she wasn’t married to the men after the resurrection, but polygamy is a sin, so God wouldn’t let there be a resurrection, to avoid a sin. They assumed the laws made after human sin would still exist when creation is restored to the conditions when those laws weren’t needed. Marriage remaining does not contradict Jesus answer to the sadducees, because the woman they asked about is only required to marry any of those men with the levirate law. The law ending does not forbid her from being married to a different man, It’s a false dilema. Jesus mention of not being able to die would make no sense unless he only meant legal customs to marry, because death is not a reason for marriage itself. Would any of the people who heard Jesus answer been amazed at it if he meant sexual feelings and relationships would be eliminated? I’m pretty sure Jews had as much sexual desire as most other people, so would have felt despair if that was the context.
At the beginning God said for us to be fruitful and multiply with no indication it was to ever stop. It is stated nowhere in the bible that there would eventually be no more room to fill. There would need to be a bigger earth to fit all people and animals, including insects, that have ever lived by the time of the resurrection. God expands the entire universe, doing the same to any planet shouldn’t conflict with his plans. Marriage was the only thing God said during the original creation that is not good to be without before creating it. He made Eve to complete humanity, brought her to Adam, and after that, it says for this reason shall people be united with a spouse to become one flesh. Jesus repeats this in Mattew 19:4-5 and Mark 10:6-7 and Paul does in Ephesians 5:31. If gender remains, the reason for marriage does. If Jesus answer to the sadducees meant no one will be married, then us being male and female is not the reason for marriage, and contradicts those texts, as well as the promise to restore all creation, because one of the creations would be missing. If God is the same forever and said it’s not good to be alone, then the opposite can’t also be true, or there’s a contradiction. God did not declare everything very good until he made marriage, because there was no longer anything missing needed to make anything better. The conditions of the original creation don’t need improving.
Many Christians have claimed that something unspecified would be needed to make life better forever and also make sexuality useless, ignoring the fact that marriage was something needed for creation to not be missing anything good. It’s contradictory and more akin to Buddhism than Christianity. If having something better is a reason to eliminate sex, it’s a reason to eliminate everything God made, and we should all just feel Gods presence, getting joy from that and never being with anyone else or doing anything else for eternity. If simply having a sinless relationship with God makes marriage unnecessary, then God would have had no reason to create gender and sex, because God and Adam already had the kind of relationship people will have with him in the renewed creation, before Eve was made. If God eliminated sexuality then the features that distinguish the genders faces and body shapes for sexual attraction, and parts used for sexual pleasure and reproduction would all be wasted. Gender having other functions is no reason to get rid of any of them. They’re all part of what makes us the genders we are and God doesn’t create anything expendable. The human female figure is shaped the way it is to fit babies during birth, and sperm, egg cells and wombs are used only for reproduction. keeping a libido is justified.
If people interpret Jesus answer to the sadducees as claiming no one will be married anymore, then they can’t consistently claim we’ll be married to Jesus as a replacement. God is described as a husband to his people in parts of Hosea, Jeremiah and Ezekiel and that wasn’t meant to replace marriage, because they are used as analogies, just as the wife of the lamb is in Revelation. They are different types of relationships that fulfill different desires. If marriage is a representation of Jesus redemption, then sin would have been necessary, so Jesus would have a reason to found church. God is not going to create something that requires what he hates.
If you are made unable to care about something you’re passionate about, regardless if you want to keep that desire, it’s manipulation of free will. There being people who dont care for it does not make it free will for those who want to keep it to have no choice but to not care. That’s a false equivalency. There being no disappointments isn’t teaching that the restored creation will automatically be satisfying even if God eliminates what produced the most pleasure of it. God created specific things to fulfill specific desires for creation to be complete. There’s a whole book devoted to the joy of sexual passion: Song of Songs, and has no indication that marriage is useless without reproduction. There isn’t a bible book entirely about the joy of any other creation. Heaven isn’t the final destination, it’s the renewed earth. The only thing that needs elimination is what sin did.
Isaiah 65:21-23 reflects building houses in heaven and not bearing children in pain.
If Jesus said that in His Father’s house there are many mansions and ‘I go and prepare a place for you”, why would we build houses?
If Isaiah says we won’t bear children in pain- why wouldn’t he write that we won’t bear children? Why did Jesus say there wouldn’t be marriage in heaven? Why would Paul say we would “be as the angels”?
Let’s look closely at Gods Word and see that the Lord is good!
The Bible says that there were born eunachs, some forced and some made voluntarily. There are people here that have no sexual desire or by some trauma- do not desire those things. Let each person pray that the Lord restores them to His will and purpose for each of them.
Why would God bless them in Genesis and say “be fruitful and multiply”? Why would God say that children are a gift from God and a heritage? Why would God remove these blessings and gifts? In heaven- He wouldn’t!
Why else would we build houses I’d Jesus is already doing so? More families! But why would He say no marriages?
I agree with the other commentator that marriage (in itself) was a Gos-given institution ordained by God, but we have to look at Biblical times.
Adam and Eve weren’t “married”. They were joined together by God. Marriage was an event that was later mentioned. The marriage “event” was similar to the baptism “event”. It was an outward sign to others of a commitment.
In the same way a husband and wife commitment in a public ceremony shows their community that there is- in fact- a bond to spouse, so is the public ceremony of baptism showing ones commitment to Christ (our part of becoming a type of bride or becoming eternally bound). In the same way our community shall keep us accountable towards our spouse, so shall our community help keep us accountable to our commitment to Christ!
This also shows outsiders- don’t touch. What God joined together- let not man separate. The wedding rings- nose rings, hand rings or other markings- let others outside of the witnessing community know that we are bound- don’t touch- in the same way that some may wear a cross around their neck.
Those things being said- we know that God originally joins together, but because of our fleshly, fallen world- some of us are “given in marriage” (against our wills or God’s will) and some of us are “marrying” (against God’s will). Although some marriages are redeemed here, some are not.
Throughout my life, I’ve had desires and hobbies that I haven’t always been given time to do. I’ve had a calling on my life since a teenager that I don’t believe will be fulfilled in this age, but in the next. God has never removed those desires, callings or interests that I’ve always had! I’ve fasted and prayed that God would remove all desires that aren’t part of His plan- and yet they aren’t removed, but rather confirmed that He has not finished!
In heaven (and on the New Earth), we will continue to do those things that we love that God has ordained before the foundations of the earth! I don’t like to build homes, but I like to decorate, while others like to build! Would God take those pleasures away? No! Clearly Isaiah teaches us that there WILL be building and gardening!
If one like fast cars, perhaps there are cars in heaven! Will we need them to get to work? Nope. We will still work our hobbies for perhaps trade, but we will also have time for enjoyment!
Will I dance all day? Play music all day? No! I will do those things in service to the Lord, my family, my friends, etc- but I will still enjoy gardening, fishing, water sports, sand and sea and as Proverbs 31 states- my trading will be profitable!
If you list every blessing in the Bible given to mankind, you can expect that there will be more! Marriage “ceremonies” will not be necessary. God will join together without need for prayer or ceremony. Adam knew Eve was from God- brought directly to him. Cain knew his wife and many other men knew their wives after that- without mention of “marriage” in the Bible.
I will still want to take a nap in heaven, but I won’t be tired. I will just want to sit in the shade of a palm tree in my hammock and smile with the waves crashing nearby. It will probably be a catnap, because there’s so much to do and see.
The talents that men have had stifled will be stifled no longer. We won’t need gas, oil, electricity, etc. We won’t be in a hurry. Does this mean no television or video games? Not necessarily. They aren’t in themselves evil. Will there be fashion? Yes! These aren’t in themselves evil.
What you will find- and I am always possibly in err, but in my humble knowledge of a great and loving God who’s given men of the earth talents and desires- we will glorify God in all that we do!
We will not desire jewelry, because jewels and valuable metals will be the streets and walls of His kingdom! They will not be rare any more! Do you want diamonds on you when they are surrounding you? But yet these things will not make us evil to have what God gives us!
Will those who’ve been given design gifts no longer design clothing? Of course! The great thing is that clothes will not be designed to make one “sexy” (a term never coined until the last hundred years). A swimsuit will not cause one to lust. It will be designed for comfort and purpose!
People will have so much to see, do and enjoy in heaven that we will not be television gluttons or video game gluttons (or even mystery novel gluttons)! Does this mean there will be no arts and entertainment? No! For all things will glorify Him!
Will God leave the barren womb that way for all eternity? No! For Jesus said in Matthew chapter 7:7-11 “Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?”
Do we really need to convince ourselves that because Jesus and Paul spoke to the Pharisees and Saducees against “marriage in heaven”, that He nullifies His promises to believers? No!
Jesus told the rich man to sell everything he had and follow him. Does this speak against riches here or in heaven? No! Job was rich. Abraham was rich. Joseph was rich. Israeeft Egypt rich.
God speaks to the heart. Just as God tested Abraham with what he loved most (His son), so did he test the rich man. One was willing, one was not. Abraham trusted God’s promise to raise up his seed. The rich man did not trust Jesus for eternal salvation. He did not follow Christ or he would’ve followed him after selling all of his things. He would’ve learned later that he would’ve had a mansion in heaven. Jesus tested his heart and will do that for us. God would never ask us to do anything he wouldn’t do.
God gave up His son (like Abraham), God gives us an inheritance of riches in heaven that we don’t deserve. We are joint heirs with Christ without all of us giving up our lives. The question is, what are we willing to give up to advance his kingdom because we trust in the promises He has for us?
I’m looking forward to eternity and we are so close to it now that I look more forward to it than ever! Praise God for the revelation of His Word!
The more I study His Word- the more I know His heart and love for us.
Mr. Noah Filipiak, Please Respond, with all due respect, I disagree with your arguments against Sex in Heaven, I am a Mainstream Evangelical Protestant Christian myself , Non-Mormon , I am fairly certain for us Christians there will be Sexual Relations, Sexual Intercourse in Heaven, Myself and some other Christians believe the traditional mainstream Christian view “No Sex in Heaven” is false, and rubbish , even the late famous Evangelist Billy Graham had an open mind about Christians enjoying Sex in Heaven, see this blog by Mr. Tom Gruber, a Christian from Ohio, who gives arguments for Sex in Heaven, see the interesting intelligent comments myself & Other Christians gave, , the blog is here,
http://istheresexinheaven.blogspot.com/ , see also the 2008 book by Tom Gruber titled “Is There Sex in Heaven? A Biblical Case for Lovemaking in the Afterlife” it’s 153 pages paperback and can be ordered from the website, lulu.com , see also this article by Tom Gruber titled
“Sex After the Resurrection” on the blog What the Bible Really Says About Sex, the blog is here, wtbrsas.blogspot.com/2008/07/sex-after-resurrection.html
Hi Jeff, thanks so much for your reply. Transparently, I won’t have time to read Gruber’s book on this subject. My main point in this article is not to argue something that is pretty inconsequential, if there will be sex in heaven or not… if there is, great. If there’s not, great. We will be in heaven / the new earth with Jesus and won’t care. My intent in the article is to help celibate singles know right now on this earth that they aren’t missing out on the greatest intimacy in the universe, which is often how we posit sex. And to help married individuals who are struggling with their spouse and their sex life. To remind us that we have access to the deepest intimacy already, in Jesus, so we don’t have to look for it elsewhere, particularly in sinful places and/or in the way we get super down and depressed if this facet of life is missing.
As far as arguments against my point, if you can share book / chapter / verse with me from Scripture on there being sex in heaven, I would definitely want to listen to that and change my stance. The stance I’ve presented is just a straightforward conclusion to the Scripture passages I quote in the article.
Thanks again for the interaction Jeff.
Noah, your belief of this is from selective reading. In Luke 20:36 Jesus states one of the reasons for no more marrying is because the saved resurrected can’t die anymore but will be like the angels in heaven. The contrast to angels is not sexual desire, He contrasted mortality with immortality. Marry meant the male proposing for the woman to be his wife and being given in marriage meant the father giving her to the proposer. It’s customs to be married, not marriage itself. Adam and Eve were married without marrying or being given in marriage. The reason for the Sadducee’s question was that the levirate law required a woman to marry the next oldest brother of her husband if he died without children. They thought if the woman hadn’t fulfilled the purpose of that law, she would still need to be married to all the brothers or they’d be sinning. If she did that, she and the men would commit polygamy which is also a sin, so to avoid sin, God wouldn’t resurrect everyone forever. They thought all of God’s laws would be needed in a renewed world, not knowing that the reason for recreating is to restore creation to before those laws were needed. Keeping marriage does not contradict Jesus’s answer to the Sadducees because the woman they asked about is only required to marry any of those men with the levirate law. The law ending does not forbid her from being married to a different man. It’s a false dilemma. Jesus’s mention of not being able to die would make no sense unless he only meant legal customs to marry because death is not a reason for marriage. It says in Revelation 20:6 that those who are awakened in the first resurrection won’t suffer for eternity. These are the same people in the prophecy in Isaiah 65:17-25. If Jesus said that those worthy to attain the age of the resurrection won’t marry or be given in marriage and are also said to continue being married and reproducing, that’s proof that Jesus only meant legal marriage customs will be gone. Would any of the people who heard Jesus answer been amazed at it if he meant sexuality would be eliminated? I’m pretty sure Jews had as much sexual desire as most other people, so would have despaired if that was the context.
At the beginning of creation, God said for us to be fruitful and multiply with no indication it was to ever stop. There would need to be a bigger earth to fit all physical beings that have ever lived by the time of the resurrection. God expands the entire universe. doing the same to any planet shouldn’t conflict with his plans. Marriage was the only thing God said is not good to be without before creating it. After Eve was made and brought to Adam, it says for this reason shall people be united with a spouse to become one flesh. Jesus repeats this in Matthew 19:4-5 and Mark 10:6-7 and Paul does in Ephesians 5:31. “For this reason” means it’s the only reason. Reproduction and representing God’s relationship are not reasons stated anywhere in scripture. If gender remains, so does marriage. If Jesus’s answer meant no one will be married, then it contradicts us being male and female being the reason for marriage, and God’s promise to restore all creation in Acts 3:21 and 24:15, 2 Peter 3:13, Romans 8:20-23 and 32 and other prophecies. After God made marriage, He called everything very good. The beginning conditions of the creation don’t need improving because God doesn’t change.
Many Christians have claimed that something unspecified would be needed to make life better forever and would also make sexuality useless, ignoring the fact that marriage was something needed for creation to not be missing anything good. It’s contradictory and more akin to Buddhism than Christianity. If having something better is a reason to eliminate sex, it’s a reason to eliminate everything God made, and we should all just feel God’s presence, getting joy from that and never doing anything else for eternity. If simply having a sinless relationship with God makes marriage useless, then God would have had no reason to create gender and sex, because God had the kind of relationship with Adam and Eve that people will have with Him in the renewed creation. If God eliminated sexuality then the distinguishing shapes of the gender’s faces, body shapes for sexual attraction, parts used for sexual pleasure, and reproduction would all be wasted. Gender having other functions is no reason to get rid of any of them. They’re all part of what makes us the genders we are and God doesn’t create anything expendable. The human female figure is shaped the way it is to fit babies during birth, and sperm, egg cells, and wombs are used only for reproduction.
If Jesus’s answer to the Sadducees meant no one will be married anymore, no one can be married to Jesus as a replacement. God is described as a husband to people in Hosea 2:7, Isaiah 45:5, Jeremiah 31:32, Ezekiel 16:8, and other Old Testament texts. That didn’t replace marriage either, because they’re analogies just as the wife of the lamb is in Revelation. They are different types of relationships that fulfill different desires. If marriage is a representation of Jesus’s relationship with the church, then people would have to have sinned so Jesus would have to redeem us. God is not going to create something that requires what He hates.
If you are made unable to care about something you’re passionate about, it’s manipulation of free will. Sin is a selfish way to try satisfying a desire, that makes us less satisfied afterward. Removing sin doesn’t manipulate free will. That’s not the same as removing a basic desire for any sensation. They think that since they don’t think of the joy that would be gone from losing that passion for eternity, that wanting to keep something God said wasn’t good to be without is the problem. They’re so obsessed simply with being eternally satisfied that they don’t know it’s only hopeful because it’s by restoration of all God made, not a replacement for any of it. That would make anything God made for us irrelevant. There’s a book all about the joy of sexuality: Song of Songs, and doesn’t imply that marriage is useless without reproduction. There’s no bible book devoted to the joy of any other creation. Heaven isn’t the final destination, it’s the renewed earth. The only thing that needs to be gone is what sin did.
Billy Graham later said that there would be no marriage between people in heaven in 2005 and 2012. He incorrectly said there would be sexual intercourse in heaven in 1998 During an interview with Larry King.
https://billygraham.org/answer/my-friend-recently-lost-her-third-husband-all-of-them-by-death-and-she-asked-me-the-other-day-which-one-shed-be-married-to-in-heaven/
https://billygraham.org/answer/someone-told-me-that-i-wont-see-my-late-husband-again-in-heaven-is-this-true/
Thank you Jeff. I too, believe there will be sex in Heaven. I liken the argument to the opposite to telling Joni Erickson Tada that ” You will still be in your wheel chair in Heaven but don’t worry about it, your desire to walk will just be removed!! Wouldn’t that be great news!!! ” You will notice that all the other beauties of life are said to be way more intense in Heaven than here…..except the one, greatest pleasure here, will just be removed!? I find the utter lack of passion for sex is amazingly alarming! It is presented as if ” relationship “, as in emotional encounter, is the only thing of value. As a man who has not had the privilege, or seem to lack the ability for marriage, it is alarming how trivial people view someone in my state, is doomed to a sexless eternity; only, they would not view it as doomed, only no big deal. Honestly, how do they view sex at all? It is as if someone made the rounds on Earth and drained all the testosterone from all male Christians! It is common for women to not be too excited about it but, I think, also telling of their encounters; abuse and ignorance is rampant. Thanks for your post and for ” listening. ” Glenn
Islamic heaven has lots of sex. Maybe that is part of its appeal to some people?
“And to help married individuals who are struggling with their spouse and their sex life.”
I would say this article is not helpful at all to those who struggle with their spouse and their sex life. This article would tell me that a sexless marriage is no big deal because there won’t be sex in heaven so why be concerned. But this is one big fat rationalization for an unacceptable and unbiblical position, which is that a marriage without sex is something other than what it is – a fraud. The bible calls it defrauding. It is a betrayal every bit as evil as the porn addiction that also gets called “betrayal.”
And a logical problem arises from this cavalier and flippant attitude toward sexless marriage. Why do we take so seriously the betrayal of the marriage bed represented by pornography and take the betrayal of the marriage bed represented by sexless marriage so lightly. It is a clear double standard.
Amazing Write-up! I found your article quite interesting. The title itself is very unique and attracted me to read this. Keep sharing
Noah I liked how you pointed out on a reply if it’s there great. If it isn’t there great. It leaves me to believe nobody is 100 percent sure the outcome. If you have any suggestions for me, please reply back. Thank you so much.
Hmmmmmmmmm another interesting read here…
Personally I’ve always fantasized that I would get into Heaven and that there would be no sex at all there
Your Biblical argument is extra intriguing and I admit I have never really noticed this quote of Jesus’s before. I believe I’ve seen it and read it yet not understood its implications before
Many thanks
Overall a very interesting site… I can’t recall what link or click brought me here but it’s an interesting discovery and this was quite a hopeful read for this personal reader
Jeremiah,
You wrote:
“Notice He says no one will ‘marry’ or ‘be given’, and that these are both verbs. Jesus doesn’t mention those who are married.”
So, what I hear you saying is:
IF you are blessed to be married ON EARTH, THEN–and ONLY then–you will CONTINUE to be blessed with a marital/sexual relationship in Heaven.
HOWEVER, if you are NOT blessed to be married ON EARTH then, by your interpretation, NEITHER will you be blessed with a marital/sexual relationship in Heaven.
You see anything WRONG with this picture?
Tamara Forsee Bacon, What about the Many Countless Christians with Mental illness, Physical Disabilities ,Social Awkwardness, etc or unlucky in love Christians who are unable to get Married in this Life, who never marry in this life, it would be unjust & unfair of God to Deny them Sex in Heaven, while those who were Married in their Earthly Lives have all the Sex they want in Heaven , that would be really messed up, these Countless Disabled Christians In America & Worldwide who would love to get Married, yet cannot, they are unable to, it’s bad enough they could barely get Sex in this Life, God would Deny them Sex in Heaven,? That would be adding insult to injury Couldn’t God be Reasonable and Allow Certain Exceptions to be Made, what would those who never married in their Earthly lives be doing in Heaven, while those lucky enough to be Married in their Earthly Lives have Sex in Heaven ? In Heaven Sex should be For Everyone, regardless if they were Married or Not in their Earthly Lives
Very helpful and encouraging article. Thank you so much, and Lord bless your ministry!
Tamara Forsee Bacon, do you have a response to my post of January 3rd, 2020 ?
I agree with you, Jeff. Don’t be misled by those who disagree with you on this matter. GOD loves all HIS Children and He will give to everyone the BEST and GOOD things (not the bad ones) that was deprived to them on this world.
I don’t like this. I am a man and I don’t want to have sex with Jesus. I don’t even want to think of Him in any intimate way. I’ll keep searching for a better explanation.
Hahahaha.
Of course its not having SAME sex with another Man (Jesus) bro, thats perversion and GOD hates it. That’s NOT what this whole topic is all about.
GOD Bless
That’s based on your erroneous view of sex as one who does NOT understand The Scripture FULLY, like the pharisees. To understand The Bible FULLY, one should not add OR subtract from the written Word AND inject his preconceived ideas on it, based on how his society understands goodness and morality, but must make SURE his understanding fits GOD’s definition of right or wrong BASED on The Scripture.
The Bible nowhere says WORD FOR WORD that there is NO sex in Heaven. WHERE have you read that? It ONLY says there are no MARRIAGES in the Resurrection.
To understand this better from A BIBLICAL and MESSIANIC Viewpoint please allow Me share with you what יהוה taught Me on this subject based on The Scripture, and NOT on according to Western Culture about sex and the Afterlife.
The MAIN Reason
why religious leaders
fall to immorality.
Its not just because of this (James 1:14) but because of this (Matthew 22:30)
This may come a bit strange to most, but I browsed all over the net and I found out one of the MAIN (among the many) reasons why some, if not most people, including Believers are involved in immorality and sexual scandals BECAUSE of the belief that there is “NO sex” (procreation) in Heaven (more accurately: The Resurrection).
So then (they reason to themselves) “if you can’t get to enjoy that kind of pleasure in the Afterlife why not do it here even if its risky? Right?”
Now I know they don’t speak it outright, but their ACTIONS tell plainly what their MINDS believe. Its similar to our former belief as Catholics that in Heaven OR at the World to Come no one gets thirsty or hungry and then right off the bat, we say that no one eats OR drinks in Heaven, (so we eat like gluttons here)—which is not the case, because men ALSO ate the Bread of Angels, once, Manna as they call it or (“what is this?” Psalms 78:25) during the time of Moses. This also reminds Me of the belief My countrymen has, that “in Heaven there is no beer” so they get drunk as if there’s no tomorrow, here. Wrong. In the World to Come there will be FEASTING, not just food and drinks but a Great Banquet.
READ IT.
On this mountain the LORD Almighty will prepare a FEAST of RICH food for all peoples, a BANQUET of aged WINE– the best of MEATS and the FINEST of WINES. (Isaiah 25:6)
This is one of the reasons why The Son of Man talked often about A Wedding Feast (which is His) in one of His parables. (Matthew 22:2)
Now what Feast is there WITHOUT Food, Drinks and A GREAT Celebration?
Yes, their is something BETTER than Beer in Heaven and its called WINE.
And while its true that there are no marriages in The Resurrection, (Matthew 22:30) because believers are married to יהוה and To The Lamb (Hosea 2:19 & Revelations 19:6-9) I believe that there will still be sex and procreation in The New Heavens and New Earth, BASED on The Scripture and NOT on man’s erroneous and malicious understanding of sex on earth, and this is clearly stated on Isaiah 65:23.
They shall not labor in vain or BEAR CHILDREN for calamity, (obviously not happening in a fallen world we see today) for they shall be the offspring of the blessed of the LORD, (יהוה) and their descendants WITH them.
Question, WHEN will these things be? The preceding text on Isaiah 65:17 gives us the answer:
At the NEW Heavens and the NEW Earth.
GOD seeks “godly offspring” (Malachi 2:15) and WE, His Spiritual Bride, who are MARRIED to Him, (Hosea 2:19 & Revelations 19:6-9) will bring forth those “godly offspring” for Him in The World to Come, at The REGENERATION (Matthew 19:28) and the RESTORATION of ALL things. (Acts 3:21 & Isaiah 65:17)
THIS is what יהוה told Me, BASED on The Scripture. So don’t worry, married couples, your marriage on Earth to your spouse won’t be severed in Heaven and as for the eunuchs and singles I say in the Name of יהוה, be not discouraged or be tempted to commit immorality on Earth, (just because of that erroneous belief) you’ll get A Better Chance in the World to Come, (where EVERYTHING is PERFECT, no quarrelsome spouses, no stubborn children, with you and your partner staying forever youthful, etc) because sex and procreation was designed by GOD Almighty BEFORE the Fall of Man, NOT after it. (Genesis 1:28)
Control your urges. You are NOT deprived by יהוה who gives us ALL things to enjoy. (1 Timothy 6:17)
Blessed be His Name forever.
To the pure, ALL things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do NOT believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted. (Titus 1:15)
Misspelled words corrected
Brothers and sisters, lets not forget that in The Scripture, Heaven is described OR at least compared, to A Country (Hebrews 11:16) and we won’t have any idea of what a country is like out there in the Spiritual Realm, UNLESS we have a clue on what a country is down here, on the material plane.
First the natural, then the spiritual. (1 Corinthians 15:46)
This is the reason why The Son of Man told Nicodemus,
John 3:12 (WEB) If I told you EARTHLY things and you don’t believe, how will you believe if I tell HEAVENLY things?
Again the Biblical principle applies—
First the natural, then the spiritual. (1 Corinthians 15:46)
Yeshua wouldn’t promise His disciples rooms, homes OR “mansions” in Heaven (John 14:1), which is A Country (Hebrews 11:16) IF they don’t have a clue of what a mansion is like, on Earth and its NOT something like a cheeseburger you can chew on, but something where you can live on.
The same thing with every other thing, like playing, lovemaking, eating, drinking, constructing houses and ANYTHING normal citizens do in an earthly country.
And WE are Citizens of A Greater Country, Heaven. (Hebrews 11:16)
Philippians 3:20-21 (WEB) For our CITIZENSHIP is in Heaven, from where we also wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,
who will change the body of our humiliation to be conformed to the body of His glory, according to the working by which He is able even to subject all things to Himself.
The ONLY thing that would be missing in that Heavenly Country UNTIL The New Jerusalem (which is A CITY see?) comes down from Heaven (A Country) are wars, genocides, pandemonium, violence, evil, crime and all wickedness.
Revelation 21:4 (WEB) He will wipe away every tear from their eyes. Death will be no more; neither will there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain, any more. The first things have passed away.”
In other words, its what we would call A Perfect Civilization OR A Utopia. Every beautiful thing you can think of (including great sex with a great partner with NO heartbreaks, a good home, a nice family with nice children, who play with toys that cant be broken, in a home OR mansion where nothing can be stolen, great buildings, smooth transportation, where there’s no pollution in the air but the sweet scent of flowers and heavenly perfumes, with A King who reigns with love and justice to all His citizens, who are treated like royals by His Angels … this AND more! What more can you ask for?)
Sounds more like a fairy tale or a fantasy, ONLY this time its REALITY!
This is more beautiful than any Wonderland you can dream of, on this accursed planet earth!
Revelation 21:27 (WEB) There will in no way enter into it anything profane, or one who causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
Isaiah 35:8-10 (WEB) A highway will be there, a road, and it will be called “The Holy Way”. The unclean shall not pass over it, but it will be for those who walk in the Way. Wicked fools shall not go there.
No lion will be there, nor will any ravenous animal go up on it. They will not be found there; but the redeemed will walk there.
Then Yahweh’s ransomed ones will return, and come with singing to Zion; and everlasting joy will be on their heads. They will obtain gladness and joy, and sorrow and sighing will flee away.”
Wouldn’t you like to live in such A Wonderful Place?
If so, lets pray for GOD’s Kingdom to come and for its King to Reign Earthwide.
Together with the Apostle John we cry—
Come! Lord Jesus!
“the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.” Genesis 6:2. The Sons of GOD here refers to angels. It appears angels had sexual desires.
Read Joel 2:25-32.
How will Joel 2:25-32 apply to those who never had a romantic or sexual relationship, to those who got married but never had children, and those that got married at an older age and never got to experience young romance?
Could marriage and sex be compared to marriage of the lamb the way a teaser trailer is to a movie? The movie is better than a teaser trailer, right?
Will there be gender (masculine/male/men and feminine/female/women) in heaven?
Will there be hugs and kisses in heaven? Will it be between opposite genders? Will people kiss on the lips?
Kissing between same-sex/same-gender is bland and boring, (from my perspective) especially between two men.
From my perspective, kissing in order from most pleasurable/filling/exciting (what’s the right term?) to most bland/boring is: between male and female, between two females, and between two males.
Do you think there will be open-mouth or passionate kissing in heaven, or is it too disgusting or too related to sex which will not be in heaven?
Will kissing be stimulating like it was on Earth? Will it feel good?
On Earth, there are tough boundaries between members of the opposite sex. Will there still be those boundaries in heaven or will things be different?
Hi Jonathan. Peace to you and your family, I pray GOD’s protection for you and your loved ones from the worldwide epidemic known as covid 19 or Corona virus.
I don’t see how the passage on Joel 2:25-32 has any relevance with “a romantic or sexual relationship” as you present it.
Its all about restoration and renewal.
Joel 2:25-32 (KJV) And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you.
And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed.
And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.
But the Scriptures also has answers to all your other questions
Could marriage and sex be compared to marriage of the lamb the way a teaser trailer is to a movie? The movie is better than a teaser trailer, right?
Will there be gender (masculine/male/men and feminine/female/women) in heaven?
“Will there be hugs and kisses in heaven? Will it be between opposite genders? Will people kiss on the lips?
Do you think there will be open-mouth or passionate kissing in heaven, or is it too disgusting or too related to sex which will not be in heaven?
Will kissing be stimulating like it was on Earth? Will it feel good?
On Earth, there are tough boundaries between members of the opposite sex. Will there still be those boundaries in heaven or will things be different?”
YES.
But it will be more exciting, and stimulating, than the ones humans have on this world. Consider animals have sex too, not just humans, and, if that weren’t pleasurable, then animals wouldn’t have multiplied.
Do you think animals have better sexual experience than us, who are given the authority to dominate the planet? (Genesis 1:28)
Man are of course, NOT deprived of the pleasure these lower lifeforms experience, eating, drinking AND sex.
The Son of Man said on Matthew 12:12 that man is better (or more valuable) than a sheep.
So it stands to reason, that IF man is better than a sheep (or any animal for that matter), then man has a good and better experience when it comes to food and sex— than them.
This may, perhaps be one of the reasons why GOD punished the Angels who has sex with mortal women because Angelic creatures and humans don’t have the same kind.
IF GOD considers beastiality (or human mating with an animal) confusion (or an unnatural act Leviticus 18:23), so are Angels mating with those who don’t share their same nature, as immortals.
Each to his own kind, because Our GOD is not the Author of confusion but if peace. (1 Corinthians 14:33)
As for all other concerns you’ve mentioned, kissing, hugging, sex, etc., I believe all of those BEAUTIFUL things exists in The World to Come, for as I’ve mentioned in My previous replies, sex AND procreation (which ofc includes hugging and kissing) has been made and ordained by GOD BEFORE the Fall and NOT After it. (Genesis 1:28)
And that is one OF THE MANY THINGS (besides the ones mentioned on Joel 2:25-32) that will be restored at the Restoration (kj Restitution) of ALL (take note not just some but ALL) things. (Acts 3:21)
And besides, to give you a clue of what Resurrected BODIES will be like, do you remember when Jesus ATE A Fish to prove Hes not a ghost to His disciples? (Luke 21:41-43)
All other concerns of yours follows.
I want an answer to my questions from Noah Filipiak, not from Rai.
Hi Jonathan! Thanks for your comment. To connect with Noah, I recommend going to his website, https://www.noahfilipiak.com/.
Blessings,
Keith
You like many others err in the vision of Yahashua’s Millennial Reign, let alone Heaven. Yeshua was speaking to the Sadducees when He spoke of that scripture in Luke, who didn’t believe in the resurrection. Yeshua was trying to point out that the ceremony for marriage is no longer needed, but people will still procreate. What? Have you not known in the beginning the commandment God gave to Adam and Eve, that they should multiply? If God is never changing, then why should He command them not to fill the Earth and Heaven when we get there? In fact, when the woman at the well was told by Jesus that she had 5 husbands, do you think there was a ceremony for each? God forbid, Jewish law at the time would forbade it. It means she had the consummation of sex with 5 total men. With Christ in Heaven, the idea of marriage is the consummation, or when a man and woman have sex, not the ceremony. Adam and Eve were ‘married’ but never had the ceremony. In God’s eyes, the moment a couple has sex is the ‘marriage’. What Christ was referring to in answering the Sadducees was that the term marriage will be done for, but consummation will still remain. Pray on this and ask God for a revelation man of God…
Talk of someone professing to be wise but is a fool. (Romans 1:22)
Who is the one at error? The Scripture OR you?
Apparently you, because not only have you mispronounced the Saviors Name which is YAHushua btw, but have falsely stated that the Millennium will be in Heaven which is NOT what The Scripture say.
On Revelation 5:9-10 we read:
And they sung a new song, saying, You are worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for you were slain, and have redeemed us to God by your blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
And have made us unto our God kings and priests: and WE SHALL REIGN ON THE EARTH.
WHEN would that be?
In the Millennium (in Latin Mille Annis) thousand year.
Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that has part in the first resurrection: on such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a THOUSAND years.
And btw, your English is horrible. You don’t even know how to construct a sentence well. It seems as if you’re confusing the question the Sadducees regarding the resurrection AND the state or condition of those who will procreate AFTER the New Heavens AND the New Earth.
Are you disputing what Prophet Isaiah has written on his prophecy concerning mankind’s state on the NEW heavens and the NEW earth?
Isaiah 65:17-18, 23 (BBE)
For see, I am making a NEW Heaven and a NEW earth: and the past things will be gone completely out of mind.
But men will be glad and have joy for ever in what I am making; for I am making Jerusalem a delight, and her people a joy.
Their work will not be for nothing, and they will not GIVE BIRTH TO CHILDREN for destruction; for they are a seed to whom the Lord has given his blessing, and their offspring will be with them.
NOW, for your benefit, I have EMPHASIZED those words just in case your vision is impaired and you have trouble reading it.
ACCORDING to that passage in Isaiah, will people be still GIVING BIRTH? Yes. But they won’t be giving “BIRTH TO CHILDREN for destruction ” UNLIKE mothers right NOW do, in this fallen world.
But WHEN would people experience these conditions, BASED on the Scripture ON Isaiah 65?
On verse 17 we read, on the NEW Heaven and a NEW earth.
So will people still give birth OR procreate? YES. But will they be married? Or have wedding ceremonies before giving birth to children? NO.
Yeshua tells us plainly that in the resurrection …
… they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. (Matthew 22:30)
WHY?
Because those who are redeemed (and I thought I made this point clear before) are already married in the Spirit to Christ.
Revelation 19:7 (UKJV) Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his wife has made herself ready.
And to GOD Himself:
And I will betroth you unto me for ever; yea, I will betroth you unto me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in loving kindness, and in mercies.
I will even betroth you unto me in faithfulness: and you shall know the LORD. Hosea 2:19-20 (UKJV)
But being “married to GOD” doesn’t remove their capacity for childbearing OR procreating which GOD has preordained BEFORE and NOT after the fall of man.
Genesis 1:28 (UKJV)
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, BE FRUITFUL AND MULTIPLY and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moves upon the earth.
MEANING their was procreation in The Garden BEFORE Adam and Eve fell to temptation AND not only after. And, hadn’t they fell into sin, their children would have been blessed and have been “a seed to whom the Lord has given his blessing” (Isaiah 65:18).
But since sin entered the world and death by sin (Romans 5:12), the ground is cursed (Genesis 3:17) and that curse will be lifted only when the New Heavens and New Earth come. (Isaiah 65:17; Revelations 21:1 & 22:3)
And that curse includes the woman’s PAIN OR sorrow in childBEARING (Genesis 3:16).
That’s why when the NEW heavens and NEW earth comes (Isaiah 65:17; Revelations 21:1 & 22:3) and when ALL things are RESTORED (Acts 3:21) women will “NOT labour in vain, NOR bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.” (Isaiah 65:23)
On that Day there will be NO more bloody Cains but everyone is as good as Abel.
As GOD promised in The Scripture:
Your people also shall be ALL righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified. (Isaiah 60:21)
And btw, for the record, “LIKE the Angels in Heaven” (Mark 12:25) which the righteous in the resurrection will be is DIFFERENT from becoming THE angels in heaven, meaning the righteous will NEVER become EXACTLY like the Angels but in some ways, just LIKE them, even as they will be LIKE The Messiah when He appears BUT NOT EXACTLY The Messiah Himself.
This is what Yohanan OR John meant when he wrote:
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it does not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be LIKE Him; for we shall see him as he is. (1 John 3:2)
Now I hope I have made Myself clear on some of the things you do NOT clearly understand. And if, AFTER all those Scriptures Ive cited you haven’t yet understood then that’s no longer My problem, but yours.
This is how Scripture reconciles with each other to someone who understands the Scripture properly and not to someone like you, with a demented mind, not to mention your awful grammar.
GOD Bless.
The wise shall inherit glory: but shame shall be the promotion of fools. (Proverbs 3:35)
Rai, I’m posting messages me and an exceptionally ignorant and arrogant author on creation.com emailed each other in December, 2019.
My first email to him: In your article response to an email about gender in the new creation, you wrote a response in the comments staying there wont be marriage or sexuality, but that gender still wouldn’t be wasted. In the account with the sadducees, marry and given in marriage meant the male proposer paying a fee to the woman’s dad and the woman being given to the man respectively. This was not done with the first human couple so says nothing about marriage itself. At the beginning God said for us to be fruitful, multiply, renew earth and subdue it with no indication it was to ever stop. Being alone was the one thing God said during the original creation that is not good, made Eve to complete humanity and said that is the reason for marriage. In other words there is no other reason, if gender remains so does marriage. There being no disappointments isn’t teaching that the restored creation will automatically be satisfying even if God eliminates what produced the most pleasure of it. That ignores free will.
Dear Eric.
Thanks for writing in. I take it you were referring to my article https://creation.com/physical-new-earth.
I don’t know what function gender will have in the new creation. I didn’t speculate. I simply affirmed that the distinction will exist in the new creation because it’s a physical fact that Jesus is a resurrected man—genitalia and all.
As to Luke 20:35 (and Matthew 22:30 and Mark 12:25), do you have any documentary evidence that “marry and are given in marriage” isn’t simply an idiom referring to marriage per se? That’s what it looks like, and that’s how the church has traditionally understood it. Indeed, Luke 20:35 is just such evidence that one would expect if marriage had a temporary function in God’s plans.
Indeed, how does Luke 20:35 function as a part of Jesus rebuttal to the Sadducees’ objection to the resurrection if He all he says is that marriage payments won’t be exchanged in the resurrection? That would be completely irrelevant to the Sadducees’ argument. Any meaning we attribute to this verse must make sense in context, and the context is that this is part of Jesus’ rebuttal to the Sadducees’ argument against the resurrection. In fact, it seems that if Jesus isn’t saying that marriage won’t exist in the resurrection in Luke 20:35, Jesus failed to rebut the Sadducees’ objection to the resurrection.
Indeed, if marriage exists in the resurrection, it seems to me that there was a simple answer to the Sadducees Jesus could’ve used: marriage ends at death. Everyone knows that marriage ends at death, since widows and widowers were free to remarry. The upshot is that the woman in the Sadducees’ parable wouldn’t be anyone’s wife in the resurrection. She would have to remarry (as would all the brothers). But what about those alive at the resurrection? Simple: the resurrection event/Jesus’ return would nullify their previous marriage. If they wanted the same spouse, they’d have to remarry in the resurrection. (This may seem radical, but it solves any issues that might arise concerning widows and widowers.)
Besides, Jesus is unmarried (in the literal Genesis 1–2 sense). Is His gender wasted if He remains unmarried? Indeed, is gender wasted in anyone who remains unmarried? Clearly not.
As to Genesis 1:28, isn’t there an implicit stopping point for our ‘multiplying’, i.e. when we fill the earth? At any rate, Genesis 1:28 doesn’t need to give any indication of stopping if God says later that it will stop. And that’s precisely what the church has traditionally understood Luke 20:35 to imply.
Moreover, in the eschaton, there will be myriads of people. Adam’s problem of being alone before Eve was made won’t be a problem for us in the eschaton!
Luke 20:35 does indeed teach that marriage will be done away with in the resurrection. There’s no way around this. It’s the only way Jesus response to the Sadducees makes any sense and succeeds. And since Jesus is God, He has the authority to update the situation concerning marriage even with respect to Genesis 1–2. Besides, we won’t be alone in the resurrection.
Kind regards,
Shaun Doyle
Creation Ministries International
Me: The evidence it’s not referring to marriage itself is that marrying and being given in marriage are actions. Also, the fact that God said it is not good to be alone then made Eve to eliminate that problem. Immediately after that, it’s stated that for this reason shall people be joined to a spouse to become one flesh. If gender stays so does the reason for marriage. Jesus repeated this statement when asked about divorce. Being without friends is not the loneliness God meant. Friendship doesn’t satisfy the same desire that a sexually intimate marriage does. That’s why a help meet for Adam was needed and why there being billions of people doesn’t make people proportionally less sexual. It’s stated numerous times in the bible that God will restore all of his creation.
Jesus’s answer is still relevant because their question was about the resurrection, not marriage. They assumed the laws established after humans sinned would be part of a creation restored to the conditions before those laws were needed. Adam and Eve were married with no one marrying or being given in marriage. Marriages end at death because you can’t do anything with a dead person. Paul specifically states that frees them from the law of marriage. The law is not a reason for marriage, it’s simply to regulate marriage in a sinful life.
If Jesus married anyone, he’d be showing a kind of favoritism, but God loves everyone equally. He’d have a desire that couldn’t be self-fulfilled. He wants companionship because he relates to his other selves, none of which is in a sexual way. Reproduction and sexual attraction is all part of what makes us the genders we are. And there are parts used exclusively for reproduction: sperm and egg cells. There is no indication in Genesis that reproduction would ever stop if Earth is ever filled. God expands the universe, there’s no problem with doing the same to any planet or making us able to live on others. Earth would need to be bigger to fit all animal, including insects, and human life that has ever died along with who will still be living when the resurrection happens anyway. He wants more beings to love because his love is infinite. Song of Songs is entirely about the joy of marriage and sexual passion and has no indication that it’s useless without reproduction.
To so affirmatively claim Jesus’s answer to the Sadducees prooves marriage and sexual passion will end contradicts other verses. It requires manipulating free will to not care about what most people have the greatest passion for of God’s creation. Your errors come from using select verses to interpret other relevant ones instead of accounting for all relevant verses to interpret each individual one.
I had to post my response to him from the contacts option on their site, and in two parts because they limit you to 1000 spaces. Even doing that, I had to omit my last sentence that I posted above to have room for them to accept it. When I responded to him from my inbox, I always got a message that it wasn’t accepted.
Dear Eric,
Thanks for your response.
As I said previously, it doesn’t matter that there is no indication in Genesis of marriage ending; Luke 20:35 and parallels make it clear that marriage will end. Jesus’ argument against the Sadducees makes no sense otherwise. And abolishing an institution no longer needed has precedent in the Bible. For instance, the Mosaic sacrificial system was abolished when Christ fulfilled its purpose by being the perfect sacrifice (Hebrews 10:8-9). Marriage will have served its purpose when we reach eternity; it was meant to produce a family of the redeemed (Did God create man to be an eternal companion for His son Jesus Christ?). As such, marriage will be abolished. I suspect that it will also be abolished for the more practical reason that it avoids precisely the sorts of scenariosthe Sadducees used to object to the resurrection.
What of sexual desire and procreation? Technically, Luke 20:35 and parallels only talk about marriage ending; they don’t mention sex or procreation. Nonetheless, given that sex and procreation are bundled up with marriage in Genesis 1-2, it’s intuitive to infer that sex and procreation will end along with marriage. Moreover, Jesus says we will be like the holy angels, which may imply that we won’t have sex (for procreation or any other reason), either. This is also the traditional view of the church.
Nor does this contradict other passages that affirm the goodness of marriage, sex, and sexual desire. The Law is good, but that doesn’t mean God’s people would always be under the Law (cf. Romans 7:1-6). As such, affirming the goodness of marriage, sex, and sexual desire doesn’t require us to believe that they will continue forever.
But will taking away our sexual desire destroy our free will? I don’t even see how that’s possible. Since when is the power to want sex a necessary component of human freedom? Some people alive today don’t want sex. At any rate, while there is continuity between our bodies now and our bodies in the resurrection, Paul also implies that there will be some discontinuity (1 Corinthians 15:42-44). The discontinuities include: perfect health, deathlessness, impeccability, and (per Luke 20:35) fitness for a life without marriage. If that includes a life without sex, then it will clearly include a life without sexual desire. But since our desires will be impacted in other ways by the transformation (e.g. we will no longer have any sinful desires), changing our bodies so that we no longer desire sex is not a problem.
Kind regards,
Shaun Doyle
Creation Ministries International
Me: Luke 20:35 is about a law, not marriage. Your interpretation contradicts the reason for marriage stated In Genesis: because we were made male and female, later quoted by Jesus when asked about divorce. Eternity cant make it useless. It was made for its own joy and pleasure.
The difference with the sacrificial laws and marriage is that marriage was part of God’s sinless creation. Mosaic law was because of sin and Jesus fulfilled what those laws were for. He does not fulfill what marriage is for. Jesus contrast with Angels was with mortality and immortality, not sexuality.
There is no indication by being told to fill earth that there would eventually be no more room. People not wanting sex is no reason to take that away from people who do want to keep it.
Sin is trying to fulfill a desire in a way different than how God wants. It is not the same thing as having a desire wanting to be fulfilled to begin with. Our differences Will be restoration to Genesis 2 conditions, which were sexual.
It’s incredible that he doesn’t understand that having a passionate desire just eliminated is manipulating free will, simply because other people don’t have the same passion. The difference with his stubborn proposal is they aren’t forced to not care. The cause of losing that desire, if not by choice, still contradicts free will, so it is a problem if a bodily change doesn’t allow us to keep a desire we want. And he keeps mentioning traditional church beliefs, even though tradition doesn’t determine thier accuracy with what’s part of the bible. It was traditionally believed by Christians that Eve was responsible for corrupting creation and that being decieved by the serpent makes women more foolish and corruptible than men. They also believed that slavery was fine by God. They used the same selective text reading and inference from opinions about their implications that this guy does, and most Christians don’t believe the same things about women and slavery anymore. It’s exceedingly ignorant to claim that marriage is fulfilled by producing a family for the redeemed. If that was a reason for it then sin would have been necessary so there would need to be redemption for marriage to be fulfilled. God is not going to make something that requires what he hates. Marriage was made for companionship with the people married to each other, not for reproduction. That’s why it’s stated after Adam and Eve meet that for this reason shall people be one flesh with a spouse, not for reproduction. That statement contradicts there being any other reason for marriage, later quoted by Jesus himself. That’s why Song of Songs is about a passionate sexual relationship, not reproducing. Marriage has to exist for it to be fulfilled.
Dear Eric,
All these arguments founder on the fact that Luke 20:35 and parallels are an explicit statement that there will be no more marriage in the resurrection. Otherwise, it makes no sense as an argument against the Sadducees. Marriage is an institution, not a fact of nature. God can change it, if He wants. Desires will be different in the resurrection; they will be sinless and fit for that age (sexual desire per se falls into the latter category, not the former). There is no contradiction.
Kind regards,
Shaun Doyle
Creation Ministries International
Hi Eric,
This will be my last response on this topic. We’re just repeating ourselves, now.
You have not proven your case with regard to Luke 20:35 and parallels. You’ve provided no documentary evidence for your interpretation of the crucial phrase. And the Greek words literally refer to marriage, not to the bride price/dowry that customarily accompanied the marrying process.
Most importantly, though, the Sadducees’ objection is not answered if marriage still exists in the resurrection. Their question was: “Now then, at the resurrection whose wife will she be, since the seven were married to her?” (Luke 20:33) If she were married in the resurrection, in response to them Jesus should’ve identified whom she would be married to. Instead, He just says ‘they will neither marry nor be given in marriage”. He doesn’t identify whom the woman would be married to. As such, the phrase ‘marrying and being given in marriage’ must be understood as an idiom referring to the institution of marriage per se. It cannot refer just to customs related to making a marriage, or merely the process of making a marriage (as if Jesus were merely saying that there will be no more marriages made in the resurrection, but the ones that exist now will persist into that era). Why? Under all these ways of reading the phrase, the Sadducees’ question remains unanswered: who will the woman be married to in the resurrection? Therefore, Jesus is saying that since marriage will be abolished in the resurrection, the woman in the Sadducees’ question wouldn’t be married to anyone. His argument fails to address the Sadducees’ question if this is not what He means. Thus, Jesus clearly teaches that marriage will be abolished in the resurrection.
This renders your point about Genesis 1-2 moot. Marriage is a legal institution, not a fact of nature. God can thus change it, or even do away with it, even though it was an institution He set up before the Fall. That is why there is no contradiction between the traditional reading of Luke 20:35 and parallels and Genesis 1. A change in situation does not amount to a contradiction.
As to sexual desire, humans can still be humans without sexual desire and activity (though I do think the gender binary is intrinsic to human nature). The resurrection body isn’t merely the old body renewed, but is also transformed to be suitable to the eternal state. And note that doesn’t mean sexual desire now is sinful! It just means it doesn’t fit in the resurrection age.
Anyway, that’s the last of what I have to say. Feel free to have the last word, if you wish.
Kind regards,
Shaun Doyle
Me: There is a contradiction. God already explicitly stated in Genesis 2 that for this reason shall people leave their parents and be one flesh with a spouse, refering to us having gender. Jesus repeats this when asked about divorce. He affirms the opposite of what you claim he does. The law is not the reason for marriage. Jesus answer to the sadducees is about legal actions, the context of which is what the Greek words were used for. You have to infer the opposite. Jesus wouldn’t need to say she would be married to any of those men. Those laws have no relevance in a sinless, deathless world, but durring those conditions is when God made marriage. That’s the conditions that sin ruined and that God will restore in the resurrection. Joining Adam and Eve together was not a legal institution. There will be no difference from the desires he gave us before sin, including sexual. What sin did is the only thing that will change. Sexual desire and reproduction is all part of what makes us the genders we are. Sperm and egg cells and wombs are used exclusively for reproduction. I never claimed not being sexual makes someone less human. It’s a manipulation of free will, because it eliminates the ability to have that desire, whether someone wants to keep it or not. Your arguments are only believable by selective reading instead of accounting for all relevant verses to understand each individual one. You have no evidence and have simply ignored all of the texts I mentioned contradicting your opinions. What you teach is unbiblical utilitarian dogma.
The law of levitate marriage that the sadducees asked Jesus about is only needed if death occurs. She’s only required to marry the other men by that law. Get rid of that law and her reason for marrying them goes away. “Who’s wife will she be?” is still answered. It does not necessitate marriage itself end simply because it ends marriage to any specific person. You’re arguing a false dilemma.
I’m not satisfied with how I explained some of my evidence in that last response. Jesus answer does not require no marriage, it just requires any laws that obligated her to marry any one to not apply anymore. That does not forbid her from being married to a different man. He’s arguing the fallacy that marriage continuing requires one to stay married to a previous spouse, even though remarriage is allowed after a spouse’s death, what Paul even describes as being free from the law, not being unable to be married ever again, to compare it to being free from the mosaic law because of Jesus resurrection. The only way that analogy works is if marriage can continue, just with someone else, or it would be teaching that being free from the law eliminates sacrifice for sin too, but there remains a sacrifice for sin, just by a different method. That means the law is not needed to be married or else Adam and Eve would have to have sinned for a law to be needed for marriage. Paul wrote that the law was only necessary because of sin. Shaun also argued the fallacy that changing God’s original design is a change in condition only, so wouldn’t contradict it not being good to be alone and the statement for why marriage exists. That’s not simply a change of condition, thats a change of standard, and then more severely limits what people can hope to be restored, since what God declares good and not good is just a mood swing now.
I’m only posting this because it’s specifically about his arguments. I have a much longer and more detailed explanation of why the Bible contradicts people like him near the top of the comments. I posted the same thing to respond to a comment from Noah.
For those who believe there will be sex/marriage in heaven, I would like to pose a question. Supposing there is sex/marriage in heaven, would it just be between married people, or can anyone have sex with anyone they choose? If I’m married to my wife here on Earth for 50+ years, forsaking all others, being faithful, etc. Does that all just go away in heaven and my wife and I are free to procreate with anybody of the opposite gender? Or do we still honor the commitment and only procreate with eachother?
I would like a serious reply and I am open to discussion. Curious to see what this crowd has to say!
Hi Bryon
Thanks for the question. Since we already know that BASED on the Scripture—(and not in the demented mind of misogynistic priests and pastors who treat sex as something to be abhorred)—sex and procreation was ORIGINALLY designed by GOD since the Beginning of Time IN THE GARDEN and BEFORE the fall of man (Genesis 1:22) a brief response to your question would be YES. However, it will NOT be on PRESENT Heaven AND Earth (that will be dissolved 2 Peter 3:7) but on the NEW Heavens and the NEW earth as Isaiah 65:17-23 CLEARLY states.
If you are married on earth and IF GOD was the One who has blessed your marriage, I believe neither death nor the afterlife will be able to severe your bond. As it is written
Matthew 19:6 (UKJV) Wherefore they are no more two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder.
As for the unmarried ones like Me, (OR those who have either become unmarried because of VARIOUS reasons (1) either through heartbreak and disappointment (2) because of being mentally challenged OR (3) made themselves eunuch for the Kingdom (Matthew 19:12)—I believe that it all depends upon the Lord’s Will and Decision AT THAT TIME in PARADISE, The Lord who is BOTH merciful and just, loving and compassionate who will “REWARD everyman according to his work.” (Revelations 22:12)
It is not for us to censor or judge, like pharisees what GOD has in store for His loyal followers who have been deprived of some of life’s simple pleasures. IF it is HIS Will to give single ones like us who have been brokenhearted beautiful and immortal partners or brides in the world to come, WHO are the modern day scribes and pharisees to judge?
GOD for instance, forbade kings to multiply wives (plural) for themselves in the Old Testament (Deut. 17:17) BUT to David, a Man after HIS own heart (1 Samuel 13:14) He gave WIVES (2 Samuel 12:8).
Now, what can we say about this? Is The Lord being partial to some of His followers or inconsistent to some of His decrees? Shall we accuse GOD of unrighteousness? FAR be it from us.
Does the clay know better than the Potter?
Who are we to question HIS judgments?
All we know is that
He shows mercy to whom He shows mercy. (Romans 9:18)
And ALL the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he does according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay His hand, or say unto Him, What do You? (Daniel 4:35)
One thing we know for sure is that
But as it is written,
Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God has prepared for them that love him.
But God has revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searches all things, yea, the deep things of God.
(1 Corinthians 2:9-10)
And GOD is able to do
exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us … (Ephesians 3:20)
Another Bible version puts it this way:
Now to Him who is able to do in full measure MORE than all our desires or thoughts, through the power which is working in us.
It says MORE and NOT less.
In our way of saying it, “beyond our wildest dreams and imaginations!”
Hes GOD Our Father, afterall and His power and potential are limit LESS!
So be comforted,
He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with Him also freely give us ALL THINGS? (Romans 8:32)
IF there are some GOOD, nice, pleasant and beautiful things on earth that are NOT available in Heaven and in the World to Come, THEN its better to live and die for THIS world and NOT the Coming One.
But can something that is FLEETING outshine the BEAUTY of one that is EVERLASTING?
Why bother storing up wealth in Heaven OR in the World to Come IF love and life in THIS world is more pleasurable?
If in this life ONLY we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. (1 Corinthians 15:19)
This is why 1 Corinthians 3:21-23 says—
So let no one take pride in men. For ALL THINGS ARE YOURS;
Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours; And you are Christ’s; and Christ is God’s.
He that overcomes shall INHERIT ALL THINGS; and I will be his GOD, and he shall be My son. Revelation 21:7 (UKJV)
Blessings!
Bryon,
I have thought this too. Our earthly thoughts of heaven are marred by sin. We find it hard to imagine what heaven is like because we have been so far removed by sin. “Not being given in marriage” has never meant to me “no sex”. I don’t think procreation will stop. I don’t think a relatively small and finite number of people on a perfect new earth would be heaven. Heaven may be infinite growth and expansion of man since God created the infinite universe. I believe we will procreate. As to all this faithfulness down here with our wives, we have done it for right motives. The Body of Christ needs nurturing families without strife to raise children and to demonstrate the love of God. Infidelity kills that, at least on earth. In a perfect world with no sin, including jealousy, we would have no need or moral reason to not love multiple partners over billions of years. Spending 20,000 years with one person could lead to another 20,000 with someone else. And in 12 billion years you could go back and see the first person for another 20,000! To me, we are like my bird dog who looks to the sky when a plane flies over. He has no more insight as to how the plane works, than we have to how God’s Universe will work.
Such poor teaching.
The ultimate future state of the Christian is NOT heaven, but the resurrection of the body. Our body, which will be like Jesus’ resurrection body. A physical, but glorified body. That is the focus of the Bible. Not “heaven”, which is a disembodied way station.
Angels don’t have bodies, have never had bodies. Angels don’t marry, have never married.
Having started on a false premise, the conclusion of the essay is undemonstrated, at best.
Hi KAM,
You’re right. Angels don’t have bodies BUT they can take on HUMAN form like
(1) the fallen who took wives for themselves on Genesis
(2) The Angels who accompanied the Lord YHWH when He visited Abraham and
(3) The Angels who almost got raped by the sodomites when they took Lot out of Sodom.
On behalf of all who shared their comments and feedbacks here, I just wanna thank you and bless you, Noah, for approving them. Despite the fact that we may not agree on everything, you are just in giving others a fair chance to express their views on the matter. And I believe Our Heavenly Father is well pleased with that. May GOD bless you and your family and keep you safe from the pandemic until Heaven returns to Earth.
Rai, in response to your post of May 30, 2020 at 11:04 am ,
Let me say that Christians who say there is No
Sexual Intercourse or Lovemaking in Heaven don’t seem to care about the Countless Christians in America and Worldwide, who because of Physical disability, Mental illness, Social Awkwardness, unlucky in love or for whatever other reasons are unable to find a partner, or get Sex, find love,
When they claim
No Sex in Heaven, that only worsens the suffering of Countless Christians who are unable to get Sex in this life,
In the Christian Afterlife, there should be Sex, Companionship, Intimate Relationships for everyone, no one should be left out,
No one should suffer from loneliness forever,
Never Again, Never Again for Anyone, like I said there should be Sex & Intimate Relationships for Everyone in the Christian Heaven, regardless of if those Christians were married in their Earthly lives or Not , it’s even worse when America and certain other Nations deny disabled and other Sex Starved people the right to pay for Sex, worsening their plight, forcing them to endure a Miserable Sexless Existence,
Worsening their plight , at least when these Christians pass away they should be able to have the Sex Lives, Love Lives and Intimate Relationships, Companionship that they were unable to have in their Earthly lives for whatever reasons,
Imagine in Heaven, no
STDs or need to use condoms
I struggle as a man with trying to shift desire for a woman, and the one flesh relationship with a woman, to desire for what is ultimately a male being, especially when you describe it as one flesh, male male “becoming one flesh” is disgusting and my mind recoils from just the mention of that. To be honest that’s the most difficult part of Christianity is how God is supposed to fulfill a desire for a relationship with a woman himself, being male.
if that was the plan all along why was Eve created a woman, why not have just made it Adam and Steve?
Rai, do you have a reply to my comment of July 29, 2020 ?
No. Because I fully agree with you
Keep your eyes on Jesus brothers. He is Coming Soon
Rai, I hope Jesus is coming soon, I truly do, to eliminate all evil, suffering and injustice in the World once and for all, forever, while Jesus says in the Gospels, “No one knows the day or the hour” it also says elsewhere in the Bible that Christians should watch for Signs that the Second Coming is Near, even though no one could Know the exact date, how long do you speculate until Jesus returns, 10 years, 20 years, 50 years ? 100 years, ? Countless People are Suffering, Suffering in Silence, and Countless Christians want Jesus to Return and Eliminate all Evil, Suffering and Injustice in this World Once and For All, Forever !!!
Well Jeff you’re right, no one knows the day or hour, although we are told to watch for SIGNS indicating His return is near, BUT since you ask My speculation, BESIDES what the Savior said on Matthew 24:14 when The Good News has been preached in all a world as a witness to all nations … please allow Me direct you to the words of the Savior on
Matthew 24:32-34 (UKJV) Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and puts forth leaves, all of you know that summer is nigh:
So likewise all of you, when all of you shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
The Fig Tree is analogous of Israel, and all scholars agree and it has “put forth leaves” when it became a nation on 1948 … so we count a generation from there, that means 80-100 years MAX from 1948 which will lead us to 2048.
So My estimate is that The Lord will be returning no sooner than that, otherwise that would make Him a liar AND our Lord is NOT a liar.
So be hopeful and watch for the signs and as The Master would say …
Luke 21:28 (UKJV) And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draws nigh.
Rai, these days many people say things like
“No one is entitled to Sex” or that “No one is entitled to anything” but human beings have valid legitimate needs for their Mental, Physical & Spiritual well being, for their Sanity & Self-Esteem, I feel that all human beings male and female alike, Healthy & Disabled alike deserve to have great Sex Lives, Love Lives, Intimate Relationships & Companionship, No one deserves to be Lonely and Isolated Forever, that is horrible Torture to countless people who are Suffering in Silence, Suffering in Silence, and I say Never Again, Never Again For Anyone , In Addition to a Relationship with God, Humans need to Connect Intimately with other humans, there is so much Horrible Loneliness & Social Isolation in this life, even before this pandemic, the pandemic and the horrible year 2020 just made things worse, None of the Misery & Hell of Loneliness, Isolation, Sexlessness should exist in the Christian Afterlife , why would God allow anyone to be lonely or miserable forever in Heaven, many Christians have stated how in Heaven all of a persons needs are taken care of by God, that there is “No Frustration of Desire” as Christian writer Randy Alcorn said
Anyone can look up on Wikipedia “Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs” he lists Sex, Love, Companionship as Needs,
Some have even said Love is the Most Powerful Force in the Universe, and it says in the Bible that “God is Love” in the verse 1 John 4:8
Rai , what do you think of my above comments of
December 29, 2020 ,
Rai are you there ?
Yes, I feel it’s okay nothing wrong with it.
“A single person feels unloved because they don’t have a sexual partner”.
This is so wrong. In some places, you can get a sexual partner for the price of a Big Mac, if you so needed. And if you read the writings of ex prostitutes, they generally say it is not the sex people crave, but the feeling of being wanted.
A single person feels unloved because they have no one to share experiences with. They may spend their entire life alone. They eat alone, they sleep alone, they laugh alone, they cry alone. They may pass through the end of a rainbow, but they will never have anyone to share that experience with. They will never have anyone to sit with and watch the world go by.
And now, it seems that Heaven offers more of the same. Except for all eternity.
Beautifully said.
Simply put
Heaven and the World to Come can give us the wishes that have not been fulfilled or achieved on earth on this lifetime.
To the homeless who don’t have a home.
To the lover who was betrayed.
To the one who prayed for a perfect marriage in a perfect world with perfect spouse and children but whose wish wasn’t granted in this IMperfect world …
To the abandoned child who dreamed of seeing his real parents but died without seeing them …
To the employee who dreamt of success but failed many times …
To all single women desperate for someone to propose in marriage …
… and to all the brokenhearted and desperate ones in this valley of tears …
To them all, Heaven will be more than A Wonderland where all —not just some of their wishes will come true.
Heaven isn’t all about seeing GOD or Jesus or Angels. It isn’t only about entering the pearly gates and walking the streets of gold BUT also A Wonderful Place where the saved can have ANYTHING they can ever think, ask OR imagine.
That’s what makes Heaven worth fighting and dying for.
In the words of Scripture—
GOD is able to do immeasurably MORE (not less) than what we ASK or IMAGINE. (Ephesians 3:20)
AMEN.
Rai, I agree with your post of March 31, 2021
Even before this pandemic in America and Worldwide there are Countless, Countless Christians who are suffering from Horrible Loneliness, Social Isolation, Rejection , they are unable to find Sexual Partners or even get a date, they suffer debilitating loneliness, they are unable to get Sex & Love, Companionship, Relationships, Human Touch, Contact & Intimacy, the pandemic is just making things even worse. Countless Christians in
America & Worldwide are Suffering in Silence, unable to get Sex, Love and Relationships, they wish they had a Significant Other, a Boyfriend, Girlfriend, Husband or Wife,
Countless Physically Disabled, Mentally ill, Socially Awkward People, People on the Spectrum, and even Countless Healthy People are for Various Reasons unable to get Sex, Love & Relationships. Sometimes they have to go for Decades upon Decades upon Decades without Sex,
At least in Heaven, at least in the Christian Afterlife,(The Intermediate Heaven & The New Heavens and the New Earth) in Both Heavens they should be able to get the Sex, Love & Intimate Relationships they desire , regardless of if they were ever Married in their Earthly lives or Not, Sex & Intimate Relationships should be in Heaven for Everyone, Playboy Magazine said in the early 2000’s that all People deserve to have a great Sex Life.
Someone even said that Heaven is whatever a Person’s Imagination wants or Needs it to be !!! Heaven will be about Many Things,
Well this is/was another pretty depressing article, as are most on this subject. So the author is basically telling widows & widowers they won’t be reunited with their spouses on the new earth, that single people will never have a spouse, no one will have children, no more families, etc. We’ll all just live alone. Sounds like fun. And church leaders wonder why people lose faith.
Mallory, you are correct,
Countless Christians want there to be Sexual Intercourse and Lovemaking in Heaven, how could any sane rational Christian Not want there to be Sex in Heaven
Isn’t it surprising, Mallory, why MANY Christians do fall to sexual immorality NOW in Earth, IF they can’t get their desired spouse in a DECENT way, because of this erroneous one-sided doctrine? Isnt it any wonder why MANY Catholic priests, and cardinals INCLUDING non Catholic Christians, to be fair, hopeless to find their true love BUT are unable to, commit every sort of sexual immorality?
Worse, others commit suicide.
Its not at all surprising, because the author who wrote this is a (NO offense meant) a RC (look below the links where you can read a parish and diocesan, terms used by Catholics) and you know how “holy” the RC priests are, when it comes to handling cases of pedophilia.
And I hope the author of this article, in the presence of GOD and Man, would be FAIR enough to approve this post of Mine, unless he doesn’t want the truth exposed.
You needn’t go further to ANALYZE the situation. With cognitive resonance and analytical understanding WHAT do you think would a poor person RESORT to, on Earth, once someone convinces him that there really is NO Afterlife or Heaven where he could be rich eternally?
He in DESPERATION, would probably resort to killing and stealing just to gratify his lust for wealth in THIS world.
Same thing in the area of sex. People, Believers OR Otherwise, once they are convinced that Heaven is anything but sex and food and enjoyment but praising GOD forever, would be forced to do wrong things on Earth to gain that pleasure like abusing or ravishing women BECAUSE they have been convinced that there will be NO such pleasure, in the Afterlife And in The Resurrection.
As I pointed out on My previous posts BASED on Scripture, Jesus didn’t mean to say that just because thered be no marriage in the resurrection, there’d be no childbearing as well.
WRONG.
The subject there being spoken in the context of Matthew 22:30 are couples that are given in marriage, and this INVOLVES the wedding ritual because on verse 28 the quesion is, whose WIFE shall the widowed woman be? And NOT who will impregnate her to bear children. There’s a big difference, because the truth is, one can be married on Earth while choosing to remain childless WHILE there are some who are NOT married but choose to have a child through sex.
On this world this is called fornication or sex OUTSIDE of marriage. HOWEVER it is NOT the same thing or a sin in the World to Come because Believers, that is you and I collectively, will be married or betrothed to GOD through Christ, as spoken of on Revelation 19:7-9 & Hosea 2:19-20 disqualifying the need for an earthly marriage CEREMONY because we’re already married in the Heavenly, just like Adam and Eve BEFORE the Fall didn’t marry or was given in marriage because GOD declared them as helpmeets to each other (Genesis 2:18).
Notice what is written and what is NOT written on Genesis 1:27-28 (UKJV)
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Before we continue, note that it says Male and Female HE that is GOD, created them.
It doesn’t say He created them HUSBAND and WIFE, thus no need for a Marriage Ceremony OR Ritual to consummate this relationship. Let’s continue …
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moves upon the earth.
Their main purpose was to “Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it.”
NOW will the SAME thing happen when the Regeneration Christ spoke of comes on Matthew 19:28 comes? Let’s not base our understanding on personal opinion or mere speculation based on a sex hating, idol worshipping, pedophile condoning generation BUT on the Word of GOD alone.
Isaiah 65:22-23 (UKJV) tells us
They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
They shall not LABOUR in vain, nor BRING FORTH for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their OFFSPRING with them.
SEE THAT?!?
Wow, isn’t that amazing!
Now some scholars argue that this will only take place in the Millennium where people die not in the New Heavens and New Earth.
But is this correct?
WRONG
Because the preceding verses of the SAME chapter of Isaiah tells us (65:17) that this thing will take place when GOD will create NEW heavens and NEW Earth, the SAME thing The Apostle Peter spoke of on 2 Peter 3:13.
2 Peter 3:13 (UKJV) Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwells righteousness.
Don’t you now SEE why The Lord Jesus calls that Age, The REGENERATION on Matthew 19:28?
Why would He call it The REGENERATION if there would no longer a generation to be born?
Plain Common sense.
Unfortunately many cherry picking preachers today do NOT know this OR perhaps they know BUT do NOT take it seriously, like many popes and preachers in Christendom do their best to hoard up wealth on THIS world as though The Riches in Heaven is just a pipe dream or another fairy tale.
Blessings to you and your family until The King returns.
I’m sure Isaiah 65:17-25 is about the millennium, because it says people will still die, except those who were resurrected, as said in Revelation 20:6. That’s a moot point because this is during the time Jesus said no one will marry or be given in marriage anymore, but they’re said to continue being married and having children. This proves Jesus only meant laws obligating marriage for reasons that didn’t exist until after humans sinned will be eliminated, not marriage itself. It’s the only thing God said wasn’t good to be without before making it. It says in Genesis 2:24 that is being gendered is the reason for marriage. People who’ve argued that we could still have a use for gender, even though there are parts used only for reproduction and sexual pleasure are ignoring texts. They only want to be thought of as good spiritual people by not thinking about the joy missing from sexual intimacy being removed forever. It’s the creation that gives the most joy. They think not caring about this makes them more godly by being satisfied only with relating to God forever. God should eliminate everything else, according to their logic, and everyone feel God, doing nothing else forever.
Jeff W, agree, but unfortunately it seems most churches, if not all, teach there will be no marriage on the new earth, which implies no sex, children, spouses, families, etc. It seems odd God would change what he created and called “good” in the beginning. I guess this means we’ll all be resurrected without several of our body parts. Without going into detail, I’m sure you know what I mean. There will be no use for these parts according to this logic..which makes no sense whatsoever. And without marriage, that means we’ll have to live alone, can’t have males living with females. They get around this issue by twisting the verse we’ll be “as the angels” to mean we’ll be genderless vs. we won’t die. Sounds pretty crazy to me.
Mallory, Thank for agreeing, Plus as I said before..Even before this pandemic in America and Worldwide there are Countless, Countless Christians who are suffering from Horrible Loneliness, Social Isolation, Rejection , they are unable to find Sexual Partners or even get a date, they suffer debilitating loneliness, they are unable to get Sex & Love, Companionship, Relationships, Human Touch, Contact & Intimacy, the pandemic is just making things even worse. Countless Christians in
America & Worldwide are Suffering in Silence, unable to get Sex, Love and Relationships, they wish they had a Significant Other, a Boyfriend, Girlfriend, Husband or Wife,
Countless Physically Disabled, Mentally ill, Socially Awkward People, People on the Spectrum, and even Countless Healthy People are for Various Reasons unable to get Sex, Love & Relationships. Sometimes they have to go for Decades upon Decades upon Decades without Sex,
At least in Heaven, at least in the Christian Afterlife,(The Intermediate Heaven & The New Heavens and the New Earth) in Both Heavens they should be able to get the Sex, Love & Intimate Relationships they desire , regardless of if they were ever Married in their Earthly lives or Not, Sex & Intimate Relationships should be in Heaven for Everyone, Playboy Magazine said in the early 2000’s that all People deserve to have a great Sex Life.
Someone even said that Heaven is whatever a Person’s Imagination wants or Needs it to be !!! Heaven will be about Many Things, Do you agree ?
Mallory, Again Thanks for agreeing, but do you agree with my post of June 16th, 2021 at 3:30pm, what is your opinions ?
There have been recent reports of young women raped by pastors and clergy and of course, this unfortunate events isn’t something new. Cases like this could’ve been avoided if not at least lessened, if people have restraint and self-control BUT most of all, if they were NOT brainwashed to believe the LIE that there will be no childbearing in the World to Come. But sadly, preachers of various denominations do NOT read the ENTIRETY of Scriptures to their members and only cherry pick those verses that appeal to the modern worldview of morality, a society that demonizes sex and lovemaking that GOD has created BEFORE the Fall of Man.
The Ants and the little creatures, the animals, the birds of the air and the fishes that swim the ocean have their own way of reproduction and for them it may also be pleasurable. But certainly, not more pleasurable than us, humans. Do you think The Angels and the Spiritual beings dont have also? Then how did the Angels in Heaven Multiply? Contrary to the belief of some, not all Angels are male, there are also female ones. Zechariah 5:9 tells us about this.
One of the reasons why ELOHIM kicked the Angels who mated with mortal women is mainly because they haven’t mated with their own kind, and GOD forbids intermarriage with a different kind, Angels with humans or humans with beasts. (Leviticus 18:23)
You get the point. Mortals, no matter how beautiful they are, compared to Angels are lowlifes (no offense), just as the fairest of the animals is still, ugly, compared to human mortals.
In the New World to Come, as the Book of Isaiah points out, there will still be people who will reproduce offsprings, perfect offsprings for GOD.
There’s no need for Me to cite the Scriptural passages to support this Bible based belief. Just scroll up and read.
If however people, especially Christians were taught to believe that there’s a better life after this one, where we can have better relationships in a more peaceful and perfect environment where we can have everything we wish for (Ps. 84:11) then there would be less resistance among men to have, by all means (good or bad) the things they want in this life, because The Life that GOD would offer them in the New Heavens and New Earth where they can have Spiritual and Physical Enjoyment in Glorious and Immortal BODIES is more, much more than they can EVER think or imagine. (Ephesians 3:20)
Rai, an an Evangelical Protestant Christian who believes that
Sexual Intercourse & Lovemaking will exist in Heaven and in the World to come, what if in Heaven and in the World to come some Christians want to be Fruitful yet Not Multiply ? Do you think God would respect their wishes ? Or would God force them to have children and procreate, ?
Just as currently in this Earthly life there are Many Married Couples who enjoy Sex but they do Not want to ever have children or adopt.
As a response to that Jeff, GOD doesn’t force anyone against their wishes, in this life and in the next. However, in the World to Come, I believe EVERYONE who is saved will have the privilege to enjoy life at its fullest (John 10:10) for eternity (John 3:16) since GOD will grant them ALL things to enjoy (1 Timothy 6:17) MORE than what we ask OR imagine (Ephesians 3:20) and that, we believe, includes the DESIRE to procreate OR not in the World to Come.
Malice belongs only in this FALLEN world, AFTER the Fall where naked pictures of naked men and women are seen as evil and pornography.
This was NOT the case BEFORE the Fall of Man and AFTER All things will be restored when Christ returns.
You can have as many girls there as you want without violating the laws BECAUSE there are no more rules to violate, NO more Satan to tempt and most of all, NO more sin to be guilty of.
With The Curse of Sin and Death lifted, men are free to do ANYTHING that is pleasurable to the senses, BOTH in Spirit, Soul and Body, as Glorified bodies.
But of course NOT here, where rules still apply. We have to wait for that time to come.
To help you understand what I mean, consider for instance GOD before gave a commandment that kings should NOT multiply wives for themselves (Deut. 17:17) but to David, GOD gave many wives (2 Samuel 12:8).
Does this mean that GOD contradicts His OWN laws? No. But GOD gives SPECIAL privileges to SPECIAL people, like David and ANYONE He chooses.
Romans 9:15 (WEBM) For he said to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
And we believe, Life would be the same for those people whom GOD will grant special privileges, in The World to Come.
The POINT is, it’s NOT nakedness (like Adam and Eve) if GOD doesn’t see it as nakedness (only the writer of Genesis says they were naked).
In the same way it’s NOT idolatry (like the cherubim on the mercy seat) IF GOD doesn’t call it idolatry.
It’s NOT adultery OR polygamy (as was in the case of David) IF GOD doesn’t see it as such.
Even The Lord Jesus took the donkey He rode on WITHOUT asking the PERMISSION of its owner first, is that robbery?
So in the World to Come, having as MANY lovers and MANY wives and MANY houses, properties, e.t.c, virtually ANYTHING you can think of is NOT greediness, adultery, lust or lasciviousness IF GOD does not see it as such.
The rules and laws that has once condemned those as SINS are lifted up and forever GONE anyways, with Satan the Devil gone forever, so therefore, as Adam and Eve was once in the Garden BEFORE the Fall, there will be NO more guilt.
For through the law comes the knowledge of sin. (Romans 3:20)
BUT the question is, what is there need for a law, when sin is gone IN The New World to Come?
A simple analogy of this would be, does wearing clothes APPLY in the swimming pool and in the bathroom where the rules of the OUTSIDE world are DIFFERENT inside the bathroom?
If someone strips and takes off his clothing to bathe in the bathroom would that be considered wrong, “shameful” and inappropriate?
NO. Of course not. It may be considered shameful NOT to wear clothes on the outside BUT definitely NOT on the bathroom and when people are having sex, simply because the rules are DIFFERENT in DIFFERENT places and situations.
Its the same thing in The World to Come.
Besides, The Scripture says we can have MORE than what we ask OR think. (Ephesians 3:20)
So going back to your original question, what IF you want to just have sex and the pleasure of sex without having children.
Would you be denied of that desire too, in A New World where the possibilities are endless?
Thanks Rai, Myself and other Christians like to think that God respects people’s wishes, at least to a certain extent, I made a slight grammar mistake in my post of
June 26th, 2021 at 1:41pm , it should have read
“Rai, As an Evangelical Protestant Christian who believes that
Sexual Intercourse & Lovemaking will exist in Heaven and in the World to come..”
Did you know that Mormonism, The Mormon Faith/LDS
Latter Day Saints teaches that Sexual Intercourse exists in Heaven …? I was Never a Mormon/LDS Christian, my Views about
Sexual Intercourse & Lovemaking Existing in Heaven and in the World to Come are from a Evangelical Protestant Point of View,
Probably Many Christians in Heaven and in the World to Come, will definitely want to Enjoy Sex & Lovemaking, but Not have Children, some will want to have children, some won’t .
It never made any sense to me when some Christians claim that Everything we Christians enjoy of this current Earthly Life will Exist in Heaven and in the World to Come, such as Eating Food, & Drinking Beverages, Music, Sports, Animals, Our Beloved Pets, etc,
Everything Except Sex ? That never made any sense to me, how does the “No Sex in Heaven” belief bring any Joy, Hope or Comfort to the Countless, Countless disabled and healthy Christians who are often unable to Find & Get Sex & Love in this Earthly Life, countless disabled and healthy Christians alike endure a Miserable Sexless Existence because for whatever reasons they are unable to find a Sexual Partner & Get Sex, Love & Companionship, and in many nations they cannot even legally pay for Sex with other consenting adults without fear of being Arrested and thrown in Jail. So they Suffer in Silence unable to find and get Sex, Love & Relationships, Companionships, the loneliness & Isolation they endure is crippling, None of that Misery should exist in Heaven and in the World to Come, None of that Misery should exist for anyone
I say Never Again, Never Again For Anyone, do you think
Oral Sex will Exist in Heaven and in the World to Come…
Of course I want to be Perfectly clear, I don’t think the
Christian Afterlife, and the World to Come will be a Non-Stop Orgy of Sex, or a Giant Brothel, but I do believe that Christians in Heaven and in the World to Come will indeed enjoy Sex & Lovemaking, that Sex will be one of Many Many Things that Christians will Enjoy in Heaven and in the World to Come , along with Friendship & Fellowship with Other Saved Christians, Worship & Praise of God, Jesus & The Holy Spirit, Heaven will be about Many Different Things, even the late
Billy Graham had an open mind about Christians enjoying Sex in Heaven , also this website condemns pornography, but how Rai would you define what is and isn’t pornography, ?
Hi Again Jeff,
Peace be to you.
I just want you to know that I appreciate youf questions and enjoy our exchanges. Be assured however, that sex and procreation is NOT the only pleasure well experience in the world to come, as the highest form of pleasure and ecstasy.
Take for instance, an ant, a literal ant. For them, gathering food on summer may be the highest form of pleasure BUT not for beings greater than they, whether animals, birds, fishes and mostly humans.
We live in a whole new level of excitement than these little creatures, we call insects. And while they also reproduce or have sex much like we humans do, sex is NOT the only thing that makes us happy here on Earth.
We also ENJOY sports, our children have toys to play with and we adults have many enjoyable recreations where we build ourselves and our relationships with our friends and loved ones.
How much more in Heaven AND in the World to Come?
You get the point.
As for pornography, we also condemn such practice, BUT just like GOD’s views may sometimes DIFFER from man’s, so is His view on certain topics, like pornography.
Thanks for bringing this subject up.
The question we have today in the 21st century is that, are we sure our definition of pornography and certain “sins” aligns with the definition of GOD’s Word in the Bible OR is it only based on our modern understanding according to the worlds view on pornography?
Let Me share with you a Bible based article I once wrote on this particular subject.
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The LORD God called to the man, and said to him, “Where are you?” The man said, “I heard your voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.”
God said, “WHO TOLD YOU THAT YOU WERE NAKED? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?” (Genesis 3:9-11 (WEBM)
Righteous OR Self-Righteous?
GOD’s Understanding VS Man’s IN Depth:
💎I: Definition & Understanding,
Subjective OR Divine?
In everything we do, let’s just make SURE that our understanding are IN LINE WITH GOD’s Understanding by defining SIN according to GOD’s View and NOT according to MAN’s Worldview.
OTHERWISE we shall become like the scribes and pharisees BEFORE with THEIR predecessors to whom The Lord said … “who take counsel, but not from me; and who make an alliance, but NOT with My Spirit, that they may ADD sin to sin.” (Isaiah 30:1 (WEBM)
Take for instance, one of the most delicate and controversial subjects, now mostly spoken AND condemned by the leaders in the EXISTING church.
Pornography.
Are you SURE you understand it ACCORDING to GOD’s understanding and not according to the MODERN worldview AND man’s “moral compass?”
If you follow today’s definition of pornography which “refers to representations designed to arouse and give sexual pleasure to those who read, see, hear, or handle them” THEN are depictions of the first couple in Eden, Adam and Eve, Pornographic? Since when one views it intently, it can incite one to sexual “arousal” NOT cravings for food and drinks.
None of us, exempt.
IF we go by MAN’s definition, then is The Bible considered a pornographic literature and is our GOD the Creator guilty of pornography, since HE was the one who created the first couple NAKED on Genesis?
Is the Songs and its verses (although it can refer to BOTH spiritual AND physical love) guilty of graphic statements unsuitable for young audiences to read and hear, like this passage (a sexual aphorism) over here?
“My beloved put his hand to the latch,
and my heart was thrilled within me.
I arose to open to my beloved,
and my hands dripped with myrrh,
my fingers with liquid myrrh,
on the handles of the bolt.” (Songs 5:4-5)
What about that passage on Ecclesiastes 4:11 and Proverbs 5:19 many Bible students are ashamed to read in public? (Post IT BELOW the comment section, if you want.)
WHAT causes their shame?
GOD’s Words OR Society’s Self- Righteous Standards?
What do YOU think?
Like the FIRST COUPLE who HID themselves (Genesis 3:8) because they were ashamed to show their nakedness, the reason why most people are reluctant in reading CERTAIN passages of Scripture TODAY is because they fear OFFENDING the crowd, especially the president or the mayor among them, NOT GOD.
Do you now see the PROBLEM with the STANDARDS and VIEWPOINTS of MODERN society?
GOD asked the first couple …
WHO told you you were naked?
And maybe He’d ask the SAME question to some of us today.
WHY are you ashamed of reading those verses out in public?
WHO told you those passages are offensive, pornographic and profane?
I OR Man?
As one true saying (Proverb) puts it:
The FEAR OF MAN brings a snare,but whosoever puts his trust in The Lord (NOT the world) shall be safe. (Proverbs 29:25)
💎II Uprooting the Cause of Shame:
One of the real reasons why we are ashamed to read, say OR do certain things OR certain words IS because our minds have been (pre) programmed to believe what the MAJORITY believes in. That “mental conditioning” from our earliest infancy is what triggers the emotions of embarrassment and shame.
This is how the world NOT the Lord, molds us into its OWN image, an image we need to DEconstruct, in both our minds and hearts by becoming TRANSFORMED, by the RENEWING of our minds. (Romans 12:2)
The “Porn” that GOD hates, based on the Greek Word Porneia OR Pornos, (without the graphos which in Greek means DRAWING or instrument for recording), are those who PROSTITUTE themselves through their SEXUAL Immorality, NOT necessarily those who view naked art.
We Believers certainly make a BIG MISTAKE or a GRIEVOUS error WHEN we read AND interpret the commandments of GOD in Scriptures using MODERN lenses, resulting in a MISinterpretation of the text, making us MORE like pharisees who think they are holy in MEN’S eyes BUT not towards GOD.
What did Our Shepherd told them?
But Yeshua answered them, “You are MISTAKEN (kjv ERR), not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of GOD. (Matthew 22:29 (WEBM)
BUT aren’t they teachers of the law? SURELY, they know their Scripture. BUT the problem is, they follow THEIR (Rabbinical) TRADITIONS (and interpretations of MEN) more than what IS written, making the Word of GOD Null AND Void. (Read AND Understand their conversation on Matthew 15:1-9)
During those days, if you don’t do the ritual handwashing, you are considered unclean. The Master Yeshua later pointed out that the things that come out of a man makes him unclean, NOT necessarily eating/dining with unwashed hands. (Matthew 15:1-20)
These arrogant, self-righteous leaders follow their EXTRA Biblical writings just as some* Believers TODAY, trust in their BIBLE COMMENTARIES and their favorite Bible Commentators MORE, than the PURE words of Scripture.
Guess what.
They as much as WE, are as guilty as these pharisees are UNLESS we repent and choose to let GOD’S WORD INTERPRET ITSELF.
For it is precept on precept, precept on precept; line on line, line on line; here a little, there a little. (Isaiah 28:10 (WEBM)
IF we don’t, and rely more on HUMAN interpretation of a certain passage, we may fall into the DECEPTION by ADDING (Proverbs 30:4-5) to the written word.
The fact of the matter is, ANY of your elder, pastor, preacher OR rabbi, even without watching “porn” can be GUILTY of SCRIPTURAL porn IF he is a prostritute, a debauchee or a libertine, based on Strong’s (g4205) definition of the word πόρνος.
The Lord, Messiah The Prince on Matthew 19:9 says …
Matthew 19:9 (RNKJV) And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, (Gk. Porneia) and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Of course, taken both IN Scriptural AND historical context, the Lord by fornication doesn’t mean the wife reads or watches NUDE ART, does He?
This SIN of fornication SCRIPTURALLY refers to infidelity* OR marital unfaithfulness, by a man OR a woman who has played the HARLOT with MANY lovers (Jeremiah 3:1) the SAME sin The Allegorical BABYLON The Great was guilty of, when she have committed fornication (Gk. Porneias) with the kings of the Earth. (Revelations 18:3,9 & 19:2)
Again, IF we follow the world’s definition of pornography, rather than the Scriptural definition of fornication, are we to think OR imagine, that the SIN Babylon the Great is guilty of is watching naked paintings with the kings of the Earth?
Ridiculous, isn’t it? This is nothing but an understanding based on plain ignorance.
Fornication the BIBLICAL Porn (without the graphy) closely connected with Adultery, refers to the friendship with this world, mentioned on James 4:4. Again, have the convenience of reading it in YOUR preferred version.
James 4:4 (RNKJV) Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with YHVH? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of YHVH.
So then, even if we, that includes yours truly, DON’T read or watch porn (by the world’s definition and understanding of it) IF we are friends with the world, we are ALL guilty, of committing Scriptural porn AND adultery, just as we are guilty of Sodomy, if we are haughty and DON’T show mercy to the poor, eventhough we’re NOT gays or lesbians.
Don’t believe My words.
Read GOD’s Description of Sodomy (different from the world’s definition) on
Ezekiel 16:49-50 (RNKJV)
Behold, THIS WAS THE INIQUITY (SIN!) of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before Me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.
IF we support Capitalists in their greed and abomination, we are guilty of the same sin as well.
That IS Scriptural Sodomy, just as playing the harlot with MANY lovers is classified as fornication which is closely associated with adultery.
This is precisely the reason WHY the Scripture ASSOCIATES fornicators (pornos) with whoremongers and adulterers when it says—
Hebrews 13:4 (RNKJV)
Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: BUT whoremongers AND adulterers YHVH will judge.
Let’s take on another one.
What about the word Profanity?
The Dictionary defines it as “a socially OFFENSIVE use of language, which may also be called cursing, cussing or swearing, cuss words (American English vernacular), curse words, swear words, bad words, DIRTY words, or expletives.”
OFFENSIVE and DIRTY.
IF so then, is Our Lord Guilty of Profanity or using “dirty speech” in some of His Words directed to the Allegorical Oholiba on the RAW translation of Ezekiel 23:20 by comparing men’s genitals to a donkey’s and their seminal fluids to a horse?
You can start at verse 2 and 3, when Our Lord described in graphic detail how their breasts was pressed and the teats of their virginity.
I can almost hear some people say …
“Aww my virgin eyes!!!”
Stop being a hypocrite for a while and get REAL, will you?
Is Our GOD guilty of Profanity, when in His RIGHTEOUS Anger He said —
I will pull up your skirts over your face that your shame may be seen. (Jeremiah 13:26 NIV)
Im sorry kjv fans, let’s read it on the kjv.
Therefore will I discover thy skirts upon thy face, that thy shame may appear.
Says the same thing.
Also, on Nahum 3:5
Behold, I am against you,” declares the LORD of Hosts. “I will lift your skirts over your face. I will show your nakedness to the nations and your shame to the kingdoms.
What about this one?
Behold, I am going to rebuke your descendants, and I will spread dung on your faces, the dung of your feasts; and you will be taken away with it. (Malachi 2:3)
Read it in ANY Bible version you want (as long as you don’t cheat and create YOUR own uncopyrighted version).
I’m sure you can quote MORE like it.
This goes with the Lord’s WOES to the pharisees laid out on Matthew 23.
💎III: Becoming true to yourself and The Word:
Now we heard some Christians TODAY say that there’s nothing wrong with that because Yeshua was just exposing their hypocrisy and corruption.
IF SO THEN WHY DO WE SELDOMLY HEAR SOME PASTOR TODAY DO THE SAME THING and tell the Catholic Priests and their Cardinals guilty of pedophilia the same words Yeshua OR Jesus used on Matthew 23:19,23 to THEIR face?
See the point?
Because DEEP INSIDE, they are NOT convinced its apt based on what? On GOD’s Word OR on Society’s standards?
This is one of the MAIN reasons, why preachers avoid or SKIP reading certain passages of Scripture before their congregation because in THEIR judgment (NOT GOD’s) they think it’s inappropriate to their viewers OR may be “offensive” their listeners.
Who’s the hypocrite now? The member OR the preacher?
Now … IF you are like these phony preachers and think that such statements OR utterances made by our Lord (besides the ones mentioned, calling Herod a (female) fox, in the vernacular. b-tch) for instance) are considered profane (which is why we SELDOMLY hear them read in churches) then, the problem is with YOUR mind, being poisoned and conditioned to be patterned after the standards and views of this perverted generation, a generation that has THEIR own standards of right and wrong.
This modern day generation have become like the unbelievers before, who …
” … being ignorant of the righteousness of God and seeking to establish THEIR own righteousness, they did not submit to the righteousness of GOD.” (Romans 10:3)
Because the TRUTH of the Matter is …
To the pure, all things are pure, BUT TO THOSE WHO ARE CORRUPTED and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted. (Titus 1:15)
The bottomline is, having the MIND OF CHRIST (1 Corinthians 2:16) we go by GOD’s understanding NOT man’s.
If GOD Our Father and the Lover of our souls calls something clean, WHO are we to call it unclean? IF GOD calls us beautiful, kind, loving, rich and clothed in righteousness WHY do we listen to those who think otherwise?
Who could bring a charge against GOD’s chosen ones?
It is GOD who justifies. (Romans 8:33 (WEBM)
Do you believe in the world MORE than your own Husband who calls you beautiful?
Having said all, AND understanding that GOD’s Views are DIFFERENT to man’s …
Do not call something unclean IF GOD has made it clean. (Acts 10:15)
Be CAREFUL that you don’t let anyone rob you through his PHILOSOPHY and vain deceit, after the tradition of MEN, after the elements of the WORLD, and not after Messiah. Colossians 2:8 (WEBM)
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Thoughts for discussion
1. How does GOD, not man, define certain words that seem appaling to us today?
2. Is our understanding of sin aligned with GOD’s understanding based on Scripture ONLY or humanity’s self- righteous definition?
3. How can we deprogram myself from the world’s view to GOD’s point of view?
Thank you in advance to the author of this blog for approving our posts
Rai, I hate to be a pest or be Obsessive, but what do you think about the various points I made in my most recent post of
June 28th, 2021 – 5:27pm , Countless Christians want there to be Sex, Lovemaking & Physical Intimacy in Heaven, even if they don’t say it, there is too much Loneliness & Social Isolation in this Earthly life now
Hi Jeff
No, you’re not “a pest or obsessive” either to Me OR to the author of this blog, as Abraham wasn’t considered a pest by GOD for asking questions regarding Sodom’s fate on Genesis 18:23-33.
Its okay to ask questions, as that’s one of the ways we get the answers we long for.
Ive nothing much to say about your post of June 28th, 2021 – 5:27pm.
All I could say is what The Scripture tells us, that GOD will give us MORE than what we ask or think, in His Time.
Rai, we all thank the author of this blog, In the Christian Afterlife , there should be Sex, Love and Companionship for Everyone, no one should be Starving for Sex in Heaven and in the World to Come, the New Earth , especially since in this Earthly Life now for Countless Disabled and Healthy people alike, it is an Extremely Serious Painful Problem when they are unable to get Sex, Love, Companionship, Relationships, Human Touch & Physical Intimacy, and it’s worse in a culture where people are constantly bombarded with Sexual Images in the Media, Advertising , etc
The thing is with Sex being such a huge part of the Bible, both Old & New Testaments , it’s hard to imagine
Sex & Lovemaking Not existing in Heaven and in the New Earth ,
I’ve read very sad stories of Sexually Less Fortunate & Sexually Frustrated people who have gone for many many years, sometimes for Decades upon Decades upon Decades without Sex, Love & Companionship, and I say
Never Again , Never Again should anyone be Starving for Sex, Love or Companionship in Heaven and in the New Earth, Never Again For Anyone
Rai, So while I personally think Sex & Lovemaking exists in Heaven and in the World to Come, what about other things we enjoy of Earthly Life, such as TV shows, Movies, Video Games, Sports, Our Beloved Pets, etc.
Do you think those things will exist in Heaven and the New Earth, for Example, sometimes we hear stories in the Media about a person who is Terminally ill with Cancer who got their dying wish fulfilled of seeing this or that new movie before they passed away, and they loved it, My Mother loved the First Two Ghostbusters Films, she passed away in September 2014 at the age of 63, since God can do anything, perhaps in Heaven she got to see the 2016 Ghostbusters film with the 4 Female
Ghostbusters, and who knows, perhaps my Mother has already seen Ghostbusters: Afterlife in Heaven, God could have allowed her and other People in Heaven to see
Ghostbusters: Afterlife in Heaven, before we humans on Earth get to see it, even though Ghostbusters: Afterlife won’t be released until November 11, 2021. Certainly it is within God’s power to show my Mother and other People in Heaven
the New film “Ghostbusters: Afterlife” in Heaven before we humans on Earth get to see it , or perhaps my Mother and other People in Heaven have already seen Indiana Jones 5 , even though Harrison Ford is still in the process of filming it, and it won’t be released until 2022
Jeff.
If it says more, AS long as its NOT harmful, but beautiful, loving delightful and pleasurable, it means MORE than whatever we ask OR think.
The Joy and Bliss in Heaven and the World to Come, is immeasurable and everlasting, just as Our Heavenly Father is everlasting.
No good thing will He withhold from them that walk uprightly. (Psalms 84:11)
Yeah, whatever.
If that floats your boat, that is fine. But I don’t care how true it may all be, the idea that we will no longer be having sex or marriage kind of relationships for the rest of an eternity makes me feel repulsed.
And don’t you know there are those single people who are angry and long for a relationship, but may not be able to get one if they are disabled or awkward for whatever reason?
Sean, so do you think Sex & Lovemaking exists in
Heaven and in the World to Come ?
Its understandable for the author of this blog who maybe* married in this life NOT to care about sex and marriage in the next life for having experienced it here and care LESS about those singles or unmarried ones for some reason or another, because he and those like him has already experienced a pleasure which they will be deprived for all eternity.
Selflessness, is the key.
Like the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, Lazarus, representing those who have been deprived of physical, emotional or material pleasures and the rich man those who have all they want in this life, those unmarried will have a better portion in the Life to Come, while those who have had partners here, may not experience the same pleasure BECAUSE they already had their share of happiness, in this life.
I for one hope that when my mom dies and goes to heaven, she will be reunited with my dad. On that same note I hope that I will be reunited with my boyfriend that died 3 weeks ago. Our life together was cut short and I’ll never know if we would have gotten married. Just because he died doesn’t mean our love died.
For all the couples that couldn’t have children on earth. For all the singles for whatever reason didn’t have a mate on earth. I hope the dreams in heart on earth will be fulfilled in heaven.
Shalom Angie.
I, no, we feel sorry for your loss, a loss that we all have experienced one way or another in this short journey called Life.
I know what it feels like to lose a parent, on My part, a father and a dear friend I lost last year, which I couldn’t even visit because of the lockdowns and social distancing.
Be assured that our Lord, who has also lost a dear friend of His named Lazarus, understands your pain.
But just as He assured Martha that her brother will rise again on John 11:23, I’m giving you, in His Name, the same assurance that your father with your lover, will rise again.
And that hope of the resurrection is what keeps our love alive.
You’re right by saying that just because your boyfriend died doesn’t mean your love died.
Had to admit, that note was very touching, but its true.
Because nothing, not even death can separate us from GOD’s love, nothing in this universe can severe the bond you have, with your beloved. (Romans 8:39)
So don’t be overwhelmed by sadness but like men who waits for the coming of dawn, keep looking forward to the Return of the Dawnstar, The Bright and Morning Star, Christ Jesus, who with His Heavenly Father and ours will wipe away all tears from all faces. (Isaiah 25:8 & Revelation 21:4)
Be comforted sister
You will forget your misery. You will remember it like waters that have passed away.
Life will be clearer than the noonday. Though there is darkness, it will be as the morning.
You will be secure, because there is hope. Yes, you will search, and will take your rest in safety. Job 11:16-18 (WEB)
Your sun shall not go in any more, and your moon shall not be removed; for Jehovah will become your everlasting light; and the days of your mourning shall end.
Isaiah 60:20 (LITV)
Sean , as to your post of
July 15th, 2021 at 10:36pm , are you saying that you think
Christians in Heaven and the New Earth will enjoy Sex and Lovemaking… ?
Shalom Jeff.
I encourage you to go to Youtube, type in
Eternal Companionship is FOREVER!!! Heavenly Places!! Portal of God
by Prophets among us
to make it easier for you, tap on this link
https://youtu.be/iJmS6bGAMhM
You’ll see one who shares our same belief, based on Scripture and also, added confirmation by visions from The Lord.
Be blessed
Certainly glad there is no marriage or sex in hevean! Because here on earth I’m not interested in sex or my wife of almost 60 years. She is not a partner in life just another person!
Genesis 2:18, 24 and Isaiah 65:17-25 contradict you. Making people not care about what creation we get the most joy from would manipulate free will.
Hi Rai,
I have read and Re-read your commentary a few times and I am thankful for your in depth knowledge with scripture. Your commentary opened my eyes (hence re-reading) to beyond imaginable. You have given me a sense of peace the way you cite scripture and for that I am thankful for you. Thank you for citing scripture without adding and defining what certain things mean.
Nick, so basically you agree with Rai when he says
Sexual Intercourse & Lovemaking will exist for Christians in
Heaven and in the New Earth, see my other comments in reply to this article, because let’s be Frank, countless Christians want there to be Sex in Heaven and in the New Earth. Imagine in Heaven and the New Earth, the Sex will be Incredible, there will be no diseases No STD’s, No unwanted pregnancies, so no need for Condoms or birth control. !!! I’ve noticed how in recent years more and more Mainstream Christians are having an open mind about the possibility of there being Sexual Intercourse & Lovemaking in Heaven and in the New Earth !!!
The Lord be praised if you’re blessed brother Nick. I consider it a great honor to be His instrument to encourage others, especially in this critical times.
Keep looking upwards. May His Blessing and Protection be on you and your family.
Hey Jeff, I believe what Rai has to say on everything that he has written. I have yet to see someone break it down/explain scripture that way he does. I believe the Good Lord gives certain people ways of being able to comprehend scripture better and than utilizes he or her to explain it further. We are in critical times as Rai has mentioned and his words are encouraging. Quite frankly, I have struggled over the past few months in certain areas and many of those areas are revealed in the above from Rai. Although I still struggle a bit, I believe that I was lead to this site for comfort.
Blessing to you Rai
I’m sorry to hear about the loss of you father and your dear friend. 2020 and 2021 has not been kind to anyone.
Thank you for kind words and sharing scripture. Today wasn’t a good day for me. I miss my boyfriend so much. Your words and reflection definitely came as a comfort. As I process my grief and start to find comfort and peace. I often have to remind myself He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. I’m taking one moment at a time one day at a time. Once again I thank you!!!
Grace and Peace
Amen to everything you have said, dear sister and glory to GOD who gives wisdom to man.
Keep your eyes fixed on Christ and on The World to Come not this old passing one.
Our Life there would certainly be, far more exciting and beautiful than anything we can ever imagine, A World where LIFE IN ITS FULLNESS will have its ultimate reality. (John 10:10)
No amount of pain, sadness or sorrow that we have felt or experienced here can outweigh the matchless bliss and euphoria that shall be ours there, forever.
In the immortal words of The Apostle Paul …
I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. (Romans 8:18)
Yes.
And the ransomed of the LORD shall return, and come to Zion with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads: they shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away. (Isaiah 35:10 (KJV)
Weeping may remain for a night; but JOY COMETH in The Morning. (Psalms 30:5)
To this we say
Amen.
Come, Lord Jesus.
Nick, so about your post of
July 26, 2021 at 10:45am , if you could clarify, you are saying that you do indeed believe Saved Christians in Heaven and in the World to Come do indeed enjoy Sex & Lovemaking ?
In this Current Earthly life, countless disabled and healthy Christians alike are unable to get Sex, Love & Companionship, they suffer from crippling, debilitating, loneliness, Social Isolation & Rejection. None of that Misery and Hell should Exist in Heaven and the World to Come. To make things worse, much worse sometimes these Christians who are unable to get Sex, live in Sexually Repressive Puritanical nations like America where they cannot even pay for Sex with other Consenting Adults without fear of being Arrested and Criminal Prosecution & Persecution
America outlaws Prostitution for consenting adults, which is a horrible form of discrimination against people who have trouble getting Sex naturally.
I’m Not a Mormon, LDS
Latter Day Saints Christian,
Mormonism teaches Sexual Intercourse exists in Heaven. I’m a Mainstream Evangelical Protestant Christian, I think Sexual Intercourse & Lovemaking does indeed exist in Heaven and in the World to Come, the New Earth, let me clarify, I do Not believe that Heaven and the World to Come will be a Non-Stop orgy of Sex for Christians. I’m Not saying that, I do however believe that Sex & Lovemaking will exist in Heaven and in the New Earth, that Sex will exist forever along with everything else we Christians enjoy in this Earthly life Now. Such as Eating Food, Drink, Music, Sports, Movies, TV shows, Sleep, Cute Animals, Our Beloved Pets, etc. Heaven will be about many, many things, see the book
Heaven: by Randy Alcorn, a superb book, but Mr. Alcorn is wrong when he claims Sexual Intercourse doesn’t exist in Heaven and in the New Earth. That’s one thing I disagree with in his book, overall, the book
Heaven: by Randy Alcorn is Superb.
Good Morning Jeff, I refer back to where Rai points out in scripture specifically Isaiah 65. In which we will build houses, plant vineyards, and where we will no longer labor in in vain. This give good indication that this will continue and it appears that the Good Lord intends to restore the world as Rai points out several times where we will no longer have any sin. I’ve started to read the book Heaven by Randy Alcorn.
Nick, so you think Isaiah 65, hints at Sex & Lovemaking existing in Heaven and The New Earth ? The Randy Alcorn book is superb, but he doesn’t believe Sexual Intercourse & Lovemaking exist in Heaven and the New Earth,
Hey Jeff I do. It would seem foreign if it were not so, I am leaning on Isaiah 65 for this.
Nick, have you ever heard of the late Christian Apologist
Ravi Zacharias , he died on May 19, 2020 at the age of 74
Look it up on Wikipedia, Ravi Zacharias was accused of serious
Sexual Misconduct, I don’t know if the accusations against him are true or Not , one person commented on it online saying that
Ravi Zacharias probably had the attitude that “Since there is No Sex in Heaven, I might as well get as much Sex while I’m still alive” Another person called Ravi Zacharias a “Hypocrite”
Others have debated if he was truly saved or Not,
Ravi Zacharias probably had the attitude that “Since there is No Sex in Heaven, I might as well get as much Sex while I’m still alive”
Jeff.
Refer to My previous posts where I have written that those who believe there’s no sex in Heaven could resort to wrongdoing.
It doesn’t take a genius to figure out. You can be your own psychologist if you are observant and pragmatic.
People become desperate and are liable to commit wrongdoing if they are convinced that SOME things, NOT just sex, are limited to THIS life only.
Imagine if The Lord Jesus didn’t assured His followers that they would have “mansions in Heaven” on John 14:2, they may do all in their power to acquire riches on Earth and build magnificent palaces down here IF there aren’t any mansions up there, right?
You get the point.
Same thing with sex and EVERY OTHER FORM OF HARMLESS pleasure and enjoyment.
Once a person much less a TRUE Christian believes there’s MORE to this life AFTER he or she dies, he would lose attachment and not be too overly obsessed over things (NOT just sex and watching Ghostbusters ok?) that do not last WHY?
Because he knows Daddy would give him a BIGGER TEDDY BEAR for the small teddy bears he hasn’t gotten here.
Do you understand what I mean?
Blessed are you, if you do.
That’s why personally, I don’t have dreams of living in a big mansion down here, BECAUSE GOD SHOWED Me in a dream what I’ll be having there, and you know how BIG the SMALLEST house in Heaven is?
As BIG AS A SHOPPING MALL.
Im NOT exaggerating.
Now if that doesn’t blow your mind away, I don’t know what will.
Besides, Hes also shown Me My future partner, more beautiful and angelic in appearance than any beauty queens down here.
Besides that she’s immortal, she never gets old and never dies.
So we need NOT be Muslims to have 72 virgins.
The TRUE GOD can give us MORE than that.
In The BIBLE’S words MORE than we ask OR think. (Ephesians 3:20)
Come, Lord Jesus
Sad to hear about Ravi Zacharias btw.
I think the reports are right
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/02/11/us/ravi-zacharias-sexual-abuse.amp.html
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Jeff, all I can say, in a heartbeat is that, IF GOD intended His children to have EVERYTHING they’ve wished for in THIS World, He wouldn’t have created Heaven AND Paradise where all tears are wiped away from all eyes.
Earth is more like a training ground or a school of the soul, if you will, a battleground where spiritual battles are fought. Even for the rich and the powerful, life in this world is not a bed of roses.
As Alfred Tennyson wrote:
“Life is not as idle ore, But iron dug from central gloom, And heated hot with burning fears, And dipt in baths of hissing tears, And batter’d with the shocks of doom, To shape and use.”
The same is equally true with our Lord, who said:
“In the world all of you shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.” (John 16:33)
Confirmed by the Apostles later after He Ascended to Heaven, by saying:
“… that we must through much tribulation enter into the Kingdom of GOD.” (Acts 14:22)
You see, that’s what the Narrow Way means, the Road we chose to travel on when we decided to follow Christ. (Matthew 7:14)
The Road to Life, to. Everlasting life isn’t an easy path nonetheless it gives a rewarding outcome.
Yes.
Those who sow in tears will reap a harvest of joy. (Psalms 26:5)
That is knowing life TO THE FULLEST, not just by having the things we want in life, BUT in experiencing BOTH joy and sorrow, defeat and triumph, happiness and pain UNTIL all these cycle of life ends WHEN He returns to RESTORE ALL THINGS as it was, or even far more beautiful, than the Beginning.
Our brother Paul discovered the secret of life and its fulness, when he wrote:
“I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any AND EVERY SITUATION, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. (Philippians 4:12)
In this life man was created to taste mixture of both bitter and sweet, happiness and defeat, for it is only through these experiences —(just as The Son of Man learned obedience by the things He has suffered Heb. 5:8)— that A Soul in Development, CAN Learn.
So if happiness come, lets welcome it, if adversities come, lets learn to conquer it, for one compliments the other in A Soul’s Journey to The Father.
This is why Solomon wrote—
In the day of prosperity be joyful, and in the day of adversity CONSIDER: God has made the one as well as the other, so that man may not find out anything that will be after him. (Ecclesiastes 7:14)
Adversities are in fact, GOD’s blessing in disguise, as well as the unfortunate events that happen, in our life because through them we have LEARNED what its like to HOPE, for if we have every wish fulfilled in this life, IF Earth is more like Heaven where everything is PERFECT, what is there to HOPE for?
Nothing.
Because we already have achieved EVERTHING.
But if we dont, THEN that hunger and that deepest longing for A BETTER WORLD to Come REMAINS alive, in our hearts.
Yes.
For we were saved in hope, but hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for that which he sees?
But if we hope for that which we don’t see, WE WAIT FOR IT WITH PATIENCE. (Romans 8:24-25)
This HOPE is what keeps us moving on, fighting on the good fight, until we finish the race AND won the crown of Life.
That is precisely the reason why The Son of Man comforted those who have none today, as well as those who weep and cry because of the HOPE that they will have a life lived to the FULL, in A World without hunger, or pain, misery and strife, … in A NEW Heavens AND A NEW Earth full of life, and a happiness that is not just for a moment BUT for eternity.
In effect, He’s telling people who weep and mourn,
Dont worry, you wont cry forever. A Better life is waiting for you.
You won’t be persecuted, harassed, tortured for My Name forever.
You wont be poor forever.
You won’t be alone forever.
Your sorrow and sadness are not here to stay …
“You will be WITH ME IN Paradise.”
And let that comfort He gave the dying thief, who may have stolen things because of LACK, be the SAME COMFORT that we, should covet, WE who have, one way or the other dont have the things OTHER people have in life — (spouse, marriage, happiness, beauty, wealth perfect health, etc.,—) SO that we should not be insecure OR depressed, KNOWING that well have a MORE beautiful, bountiful, and wonderful life AFTER this one ends.
For when everything ends for worldly MEN, that would the START of A NEW BEGINNING, for GOD’s Children.
Blessing Rai
The YouTube video…. Eternal Companionship is FOREVER!!! Heavenly Places!! Portal of God. All I can say is WOW!!! I love how it is pointed out that before the fall God created woman because man was not meant to be alone. We will not be given in marriage but return to how it was in the beginning.
In my processing of my boyfriend’s death I have thought that God brought us together for a reason and that I was chosen to be the last woman in his life and that he was chosen to be the last man in my life. I have no desire to be with another man. Soon after that thought came to mind, joy and peace came over my heart. I believe that we get little messages from heaven from time to time. A beautiful butterfly escorted me to my car while I was feeling such joy and peace.
Recently a classmate from long ago messaged me saying that I was on her mind and that she wished my boyfriend and I could have been married. She knows I would have taken good care of him. Another classmate has told me that he felt blessed by knowing his dear friend died knowing he is/was truly loved for being himself and not for material gains.
It is my hope and my prayer that my boyfriend and I will be eternal companions. God knows the desire of my heart, He is the one that put it in my heart.
So much has happened to me in just a few months. I hold on to Romans 8:18. Glory awaits and no more pain or tears.
Rai, thank you once again for your insight and sharing of scripture.
Grace and Peace
Rai , the thing is that it appears that Not everyone was meant to be very successful or happy in this brief current Earthly life. I’ve read stories of people who have always had this deeply uncomfortable unshakable gut feeling knowing that they were just never meant to be very Successful or happy in this life, no matter how hard they tried, and that there is very little that they can do about it.. That they were just never meant to be Very Successful or Happy in Life, Relationships, Work, etc . and often they feel jealous and envious of people who are Successful and Happy . For Example not all people are blessed with good looks or confidence or a great personality, Not everyone has natural good looks or a great personality, confidence, good Social Skills, etc. and it is impossible for them to just
“Think Positive” or “Have a Positive Attitude”
Now, if these people who have these uncomfortable unshakable gut feelings that they were just never meant to be very Successful or happy in this life, if they can’t be Successful or happy in this life, that’s Extremely Sad and Depressing.
However, when they ultimately pass away and go to Heaven, these less Fortunate people who are Miserable, I’m thinking that at least in Heaven, at least in Heaven and the World to Come, Everyone should be Happy and Successful, no one should be left out and Miserable for all Eternity, not even one person. That
Everyone who is in Heaven must be Happy and Successful, and have what they want, need and desire especially if for whatever reasons they cannot be Successful in this current Earthly life .
Some people are sadly unable to change and improve themselves, no matter how hard they try. It’s like only God himself can Supernaturally and Divinely Change & Transform some people.. and only in Heaven can God accomplish that..
What do you think ? Everyone who is in Heaven should be Happy and Successful, especially if they are unable to be Happy and Successful in this life.
Sometimes these less Fortunate people I mentioned lack faith at times, it’s more like
Wishful Thinking, a
“I’ll believe it, when I see it” attitude.
A pastor even mentioned once to me and other Christians
Skepticism and Doubt
Vs. Faith and Hope
Rai, Do you have a response to my post of August 12th, 2021, at
5:02 pm , Since Not everyone can be Successful or Happy in this brief current Earthly life. I am reminded of the Bible verse Matthew 20:16 , where Jesus says
“So the last will be first, and the first will be last.” NIV
Even viewing that verse in it’s Context, some have used that verse to show that some people who aren’t very successful or Happy in this brief current Earthly life, will indeed be happy and Successful in Heaven and in the World to Come,
At least that, at least that ,
Some people may not be the last in this current life, they might be next to last , but they are still not very successful or happy,
None of that Misery should exist in Heaven and in the World to Come, I often wonder if in Heaven and the World to Come if God will make it so Christians will be able to Fly like Superman, that would be so cool.
I’d also like to have a Huge House all to myself with an exact duplicate of all my Earthly Posessions , but I would like my Huge House to have a Guest Area for my Family and Friends to Visit Me, and to make many New friends in Heaven. For example, to be close friends with famous celebrities who have passed away, such as Marilyn Monroe, Frank Sinatra, John Candy, John Ritter, Phil Hartman, Chris Farley, Bernie Mac, Markie Post, etc
etc, meet these great celebrities face to face, shake their hands, hang out with them, and be close friends with them. Do you think that God will allow people to
“Time Travel” to the past and the future like in Science Fiction Movies, ? Have you ever read the book
Heaven: by Randy Alcorn, he thinks Time Travel is a possibility
Rai, are you there, are you OK , what do you think of my posts of
August 12th & August 16th, 2021
I absolutely agree with your posts, Jeff. In fact, the Apostles and the Christians before didn’t have everything in this life and were, like the patriarchs, hoping for a better World to Come in the next. That is why Paul wrote:
If IN THIS LIFE ONLY we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. (1 Corinthians 15:19)
Because “IN THIS LIFE” most of what they experienced were numerous troubles, and persecutions. Truth is, it’s NOT just about the LITTLE things we complain about in THIS time that they do not have, like sex, a big house, a college degree, etc BECAUSE they experienced more difficult ordeals than that. Brother Paul on 2 Corinthians 4:8-10 wrote:
We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;
Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;
Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
See that?
What are our little losses compared to THEIRS? People today for their small disappointments like losing a lover, or a business would commit suicide, like the child who cant play fortnight because of the lockdowns ALL THOSE LITTLE THINGS!
WHEREAS the Apostles who experienced GREATER hardships DIDN’T fall to despair.
What was THEIR secret?
The secret of their courage to endure life’s tests is because they know that after this life they will get MORE than what they bargained for.
And they took that HOPE SERIOUSLY.
That’s why they were able to say:
For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the GLORY which shall be revealed in us. (Romans 8:18)
2 Corinthians 5:1-3 (UKJV) For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
Beloved, now are we the sons of GOD, and it does not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him AS HE (JESUS) IS.
And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as HE is pure. (1 John 3:2-3)
SEE that?
Imagine a student burning the midnight oil, giving his best effort in his studies with the VISION that he will one day receive the reward of his sacrifices once he graduate.
OR
An athlete who trains hard, denying himself the pleasures of life in order to WIN the competition.
Surely, you know the POINT of all this right?
All our efforts will be WORTH it and our small sacrifices will pay off.
Paul wrote:
And every man who takes part in the sports has self-control in all things. Now they do it to get a crown which is of this world, but we for an ETERNAL crown. (1 Corinthians 9:25)
This is The Crown that The Lord Jesus promised to those who will remain faithful unto death.
The Crown of LIFE (Revelation 2:10)
And LIFE that is ETERNAL and LIVED TO THE FULL.
What else can be more REWARDING?
Our trials, tests, tribulations, loses, disappointments, frustrations and little insecurities will fall into insignificance BEFORE the glory AND the rewards that we shall INHERIT! Just DON’T focus on what you DON’T have now BUT the LIFE YOU WILL HAVE ONCE OUR LORD RETURNS! Use some imagination! VISUALIZE! Think of whatever is GOOD, and LOVELY (Beautiful) and PURE (Philippians 4:8) LIVE as though you were in THAT WORLD and NONE of the present hardships will move you.
THIS is what American AND Modern Day Christianity doesn’t have. Their eyes are SO focused on the present AS THOUGH THIS IS THE LIFE GOD promised, that they LOSE SIGHT of The INCREDIBLE WONDERS of The WORLD to COME!
That’s why when the storms come in and beat upon their house, their “temples” built on sand, they grow weary OR insecure and give in to despair.
They FORGET that this present world is NOT their home and they are NOT called to enjoy life here to the fullest BUT only in the World to Come where EVERLASTING LIFE can be lived to the FULLEST without ANY trials or problems.
ONLY in that World (although scoffed by many today as “imaginary”) can WE TRULY EXPERIENCE what it’s like to LIVE FULLY! A WORLD where we shall be RICHLY BLESSED by The LORD (יהוה) without experiencing ANY sorrow. As it is written:
The blessing of the LORD, it makes rich, and HE ADDS NO SORROW with it. (Proverbs 10:22)
LIFE in this world and reality as we know it COMPARED to The WORLD TO COME is but a dream, with the life of the wicked, who, like a phantom of the night, fades away (Psalms 73:20).
Do people take their dreams in this world seriously? NO! So neither should Believers like us take the losses and problems we have in this world TOO seriously. Because we’re just “dreaming.” The ONLY time well be fully AWAKE is when we’re with The Lord. That is why we shouldn’t take life in this world TOO seriously.
IN ONE WORD, don’t be attached.
As The blessed Apostle would say:
But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remains, that both they that have wives be as though they had none;
And they that weep, as though they wept not; and they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not; and they that buy, as though they possessed not; And they that use this world, as not abusing it: for the fashion of this world PASSES away. (1 Corinthians 7:29-31)
I don’t care IF constant imagining or thinking of The World to Come would cause you to “lose touch with the present reality!” IF it helps overcome your depression and disappointment, BETTER than taking drugs, prescribed OR otherwise, WHY not?
Because we don’t just live in dreams BUT we trust that whatever Our Lord promises WILL COME TRUE! Including The World to COME and The NEW JERUSALEM He has prepared for Me and YOU!
In The Bible’s words:
“So let no one take pride in men. For ALL THINGS ARE YOURS;
Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or THINGS PRESENT, or THINGS TO COME; ALL are yours; And you are Christ’s; and Christ is GOD’s.” (1 Corinthians 3:21-23)
And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, all of you shall receive A CROWN OF GLORY that fades not away. (1 Peter 5:4)
For the LORD GOD is a sun and shield: the LORD will give grace and glory: NO GOOD THING will HE withhold from them that walk uprightly.
O LORD of hosts, BLESSED is the man that TRUSTS in YOU. (Psalms 84:11-12)
Rai, also what do you think of the website http://www.near-death.com by
Kevin Williams, in one of his books he said that
“Heaven is whatever a person’s imagination wants it to be” what do you think, ? Is that a Biblical View
Hi Jeff ,
I checked your link and it seems as if human science (knowledge) is beginning to open up to the understanding that there really is something BIGGER than the life we know in this life. It seems as if those were derived from various testimonials of the Afterlife, and although we can’t discredit some of the experiences of those who have gone beyond death’s door, I can say that not all their beliefs are Biblical. I also know of a similar book where testimonies of some who have had NDE’s (Near Death Experiences) are compiled and its called Visions of GOD from the near death experience by Ken R Vincent.
You can look it up on the net if you like.
Whether these testimonials are true or not, we don’t know so let’s leave the judgment to GOD who knows better than us and has GREATER things in store for those who love Him.
Paul on 1 Corinthians 2:9 tells us:
as it is written, eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which GOD hath prepared for them that love Him.
On the third Heaven, that is Paradise, there are some words that are unlawful for man to say, and that’s what we learned from Paul on 2 Corinthians 12:4, probably because of its indescribable beauty, that cannot be defined by our human vocabulary. We don’t know. There are some secrets that only The Father knows and has kept under His own jurisdiction. (Acts 1:7)
Let us be content to believe only those that He has revealed to us.
If Heaven is “whatever a person’s imagination wants it to be” ONLY GOD knows, because while we’re here on this temporal plane, our knowledge as well as our understanding of the infinite, are limited.
The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law. (Deuteronomy 29:29)
However, GOD in His word through the mouth of His prophets and apostles have given us previews of what Heaven and The World to Come would be like, which I believe, I have already laid down on My previous posts, like the prophecies taken from Isaiah, Matthew, Revelation etc.
And let it be known, that Heaven is NOT the final destination of a Christian BECAUSE there would still be A Resurrection to follow. The First for the saints and the Second for the non-believers, WHICH only shows that the pleasures in The World to Come is NOT just spiritual (Heavenly) BUT also material (Earthly) because we shall be reunited with our bodies, albeit NEW RESURRECTED BODIES made up of Spirit, Soul AND Body.
When The Lord Jesus has been raised from the dead, He can defy the laws of physics since He can pass through a wall right? That’s SPIRITUAL power. HOWEVER, He also made it plain that He has ALSO material body since He has FLESH and BONE and He has proven it by eating the FISH that was given to Him to prove to His Disciples that they’re NOT seeing a ghost.
All laid down on Luke 24:34-43
Just read AND understand.
And IF we shall be LIKE HIM when He returns, according to John on 1 John 3:2, then it stands to reason that we shall also be able to materialize and dematerialize like walking through closed and EAT food, REALfood, just like He did when He appeared to His disciples.
Paul wrote—
as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. (1 Corinthians 15:49)
On Romans 8:29, he writes the same thing:
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the IMAGE OF HIS SON, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
In A Nutshell, hes saying that our glorified bodies again BODIES, shall be patterned according to the IMAGE of His Son.
Which gives us the impression that we shall be superhumans, more like gods BUT NOT EQUAL to The Father who is above ALL. Because men are also called gods NO, not by Satan, BUT by David and the Son of Man on Psalms 82:6 & John 10:34.
The only difference is that, even if men are NOW called gods or superior ones, they will DIE as the following verse on Psalms 82 states:
But all of you shall DIE like men, and fall like one of the princes. (vs.7)
This is one of the HALF-truths revealed by the Serpent in Eden, when he tempted the first couple to disobey GOD by promising them that they would be gods knowing good and evil.
Hes right in saying that, for AFTER they partook of the forbidden fruit, their eyes were opened and they KNEW they were naked. (Genesis 3:5,7)
BUT the other half of what he said wasn’t true because they eventually DIED.
Were just making a side note and a review, (lest others may think that were spreading “cultic” teachings.)
A teaching is only cultic OR erroneous if it has no foundation in Scripture, like the many unscriptural traditions of men, Valentines, Easter and Christmas, with their idolatrous practices BUT definitely not, when its derived, from The Bible.
The fact that we’ve delved a little into this is because The Bible clearly states that resurrected Believers will be like Christ, and on the other like Angels (NOTE that it did NOT say, they will BE Christ OR they will BE Angels), NO. But only having their spiritual and glorified qualities.
Its the SAME as saying a robot OR an Extraterrestrial looks like a human being
with human features, eyes, nose, ears, feet etc. BUT that doesn’t mean it IS human.
Just a SIMILITUDE.
So with Believers once they are GLORIFIED with Christ, they will be like Christ in His Glorified state, and they will be like GOD Himself, again LIKE GOD, because GOD is immortal AND they will have EVERLASTING Life BUT definitely NOT equal to His Position and His Majesty.
Even Christ, although GOD, is NOT equal to the Father.
As Paul clarified on 1 Corinthians 15:27-28 (UKJV) For he (The Father) has put all things under his (The Son’s) feet. But when he says all things are put under him (Jesus), it is manifest that HE (The Father) IS EXEMPTED, which did put all things under him (Jesus).
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put ALL things under him (Jesus The Son), that GOD (The Father YHWH/Jehovah) may be all in all.
Before we proceed, let it be known that Im a Messianic and NOT A Jehovah’s Witness, ALTHOUGH sometimes, JW know what the Bible REALLY teach, than nominal Christians.
So BACK to the Subject of Glorified Bodies.
The Scripture says we shall be like Christ, and since Christ is GOD (although NOT equal to His Father, just like your son although FULLY human, is NOT equal in authority to you as his dad), — we also shall be LIKE GOD, (in immortality) as we become like His Son and like The Angels of Heaven. (Matthew 22:30)
Again LIKE, and not EXACTLY them.
And since we are to INHERIT ALL THINGS (Revelation 21:7) that includes the NEW Heavens AND the NEW Earth (Revelation 21:1) besides the NEW Jerusalem, OUR pleasures will be BOTH spiritual (heavenly) AND physical/material (earthly) in a TOTALLY NEW REALITY AND ENVIRONMENT or REALM, call it what you will.
This debunks the erroneous belief that glorified bodies dont eat OR drink, (just like the erroneous belief that the forbidden friit was sex taught by our Catholic parents), else IF there’s no need for us to eat AND drink, then what’s the PURPOSE of the TREE OF LIFE BEARING 12 MANNER OF FRUITS monthly on Revelation 22:2?
Are we gonna just stare at it all day like pictures on canvass without touching AND tasting it?
OF COURSE NOT!
What about the Rivers of the Water of Life on Revelation 22:2?
IF there’s NO need to drink since we wont be thirsty, then why create a river AND more so, why INVITE people to drink IF the waters are NOT to be taken literally? (Revelation 22:17)
I tell you the truth, THIS is the Water of LIFE which The Son of GOD promised the Samaritan woman on the WELL (John 4:14).
Jesus was talking about a FUTURE EVENT that all the Redeemed will partake once they are resurrected in their glorified state .
IN GOD’S KINGDOM there is ABUNDANCE and LIFE IS TRULY ABUNDANT and where there is abundance under The Shepherd’s guidance, there is NO lack. (Psalms 23:1)
This is why Revelation 7:16-17 predicts:
They shall hunger NO more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and GOD shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
BECAUSE in the NEW Heavens AND the NEW Earth, YOU ARE WELL PROVIDED FOR BY A FATHER WHO LOVES YOU MORE THAN ANY OTHER earthly father.
This is the difference between GOD’s loyal servants and the accursed.
On Isaiah 65:13-14 GOD says:
Therefore thus says the Lord GOD, Behold, My servants shall EAT, but all of you shall be hungry: behold, My servants shall DRINK, but all of you shall be thirsty: behold, My servants shall REJOICE, but all of you shall be ashamed:
Behold, My servants shall SING FOR JOY of heart, but all of you shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall wail for vexation of spirit.
This is one of the things that inspired The Lord Jesus to cast woes on those who have plenty and blessings to those who have sorrow and scarcity on Luke 6:20-26 BECAUSE HE foresaw the glory that awaits the righteous AND the misery that awaits the wicked.
Isaiah the prophet also saw the same destiny that awaits them both, when he wrote:
Say all of you to the righteous, that it shall be WELL WITH HIM: for they shall eat the fruit of their doings.
Woe unto the wicked! it shall be ILL WITH HIM: for the reward of his hands shall be given him. (Isaiah 3:10-11)
And this will eventually take place WHEN the Lord Jesus returns from Heaven “to give to every man ACCORDING to his work.” (Revelation 22:12)
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that does evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
BUT glory, honour, and peace, to every man that works good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
For there is no respect of persons with GOD.
(Romans 2:7-11)
And we certainly know that everything will go well with the saints, in the NEW Heavens AND the NEW Earth because GOD will NOT withhold ANYTHING good from those who walk in uprightness. (Psalms 84:11)
Yes.
GOD gives us RICHLY ALL THINGS to enjoy. (1 Timothy 6:17)
And when He says ALL, that means ALL. Yes.
He who overcomes will inherit ALL. (Revelation 21:7)
AMEN.
Rai , hold on I submitted a very good post to you, on these comments, it hasn’t been added yet, hope it is added soon. I put a lot of effort into it. This pandemic has shown us all the importance of Intimate Relationships, but of Close Face to Face Friendships, and Companionship, Not just Friendship over Social Media.
Many Christian Men Struggle with Pornograpy & Masturbation, is Masturbation really a Sin, how Exactly do we define what is and isn’t Pornograpy , and is it really harmful at least to some people…? What does the Evidence and Scientific Research Show … ?
Well Jeff since you asked the question, I will tell you the answer, NOT based on human science NOR on modern assumptions of right OR wrong, which could be different from The Bible’s standards of right or wrong BUT what The Lord REALLY says on The Bible.
First, Masturbation AND/OR seminal emission, I repeat, SEMINAL emission which is NOT urine, is NOT wrong OR a sin, based on Scripture.
On Leviticus 15:16-18 (WEBM) “‘If any man has an emission of SEMEN, then he shall bathe all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the evening.
Every garment, and every skin, whereon the semen is, shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the evening.
If a man lies with a woman and there is an emission of semen, they shall both bathe themselves in water, and be unclean until the evening.
On that passage, GOD did NOT mentioned in particular HOW semen (or slang: cum) came from, either through Masturbation OR Bed-wetting.
But He just said that those who have emission of semen shall be UNCLEAN and should BATHE themselves.
Just as a WOMAN IN MENSTRUATION is considered unclean on the following texts.
Leviticus 15:19-21 (WEBM) “‘If a woman has a discharge, and her discharge in her flesh is blood, she shall be in her impurity seven days: and whoever touches her shall be unclean until the evening.
“‘Everything that she lies on in her impurity shall be unclean. Everything also that she sits on shall be unclean.
Whoever touches her bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the evening.
THEREFORE, GOD does NOT consider masturbation a SIN. Because He did NOT say those who had emission of semen should be STONED to death, which punishment is only for sinners OR those who violate the laws like idolatry, ADULTERY etc.
On Leviticus 20:10 GOD lays this verdict to ADULTERERS
Leviticus 20:10 (WEBM) “‘The man who commits adultery with another man’s wife, even he who commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
NO MENTION WAS MADE TO THOSE WHO MASTURBATE. So therefore masturbation is NOT a sin and we should be CAREFUL not to go BEYOND what is WRITTEN (1 Corinthians 4:6) by calling sin THAT which GOD does NOT call sin.
HOWEVER!
Adultery IS A Sin since it is a VIOLATION of the 7th commandant on Exodus 20:14
Where it says Thou shalt NOT commit adultery and NOT Thou shalt NOT masturbate OR watch porn.
IF GOD prohibits people to watch porn then Hed be the greatest Violator of His OWN commandment because GOD made Adam and Eve NAKED and described Oholibas adultery on Ezekiel 23 in a sexually Graphic way, which the MODERN SOCIETY defines as Pornograhic and or Pornographic literature.
READ Ezekiel 23:3,20
I’ll quote verse 20 in the EVD (English Version for the Deaf)
She remembered her lover with the penis like a donkey and a flood of semen like a horse.
You can check it out on this link
https://live.bible.is/bible/ENGEVD/EZK/23/20
That’s close to how it’s spoken in the ORIGINAL.
Quite Vulgar, isn’t it?
BUT WHO ARE MORTALS TO SAY THEY KNOW BETTER THAN THEIR CREATOR WHEN IT COMES TO MORALITY?
Woe to the mortal who thinks he is more pure than his Maker!
Woe to him who quarrels with his Maker—one clay pot among many. Does the clay ask the potter, ‘What are you making?’ Does your work say, ‘He has no hands’? (Isaiah 45:9)
Can anyone teach knowledge to GOD, since he judges even the highest? (Job 21:22)
Can a mortal be MORE righteous than GOD? Can even a strong man be more PURE than his Maker? (Job 4:17)
So with that said, watching nudity DEPENDING on the motive, just as seeing NAKED pictures of Adam and Eve and reading certain passages of Scripture like The SONGS (in BOTH Spiritual AND Physical fashion) is NOT pornography.
ANYONE who thinks so, priest, pastor OR scholar blasphemes and speaks presumptously against his own Creator.
HOWEVER!
As we said, Adultery is A SIN and since its A SIN in GOD’s Eyes, so must it be to ours.
There are 3 forms of ADULTERY.
1st the physical act of being UNFAITHFUL to one’s spouse, mentioned on Exodus 20.
The 2nd is the Adultery in the heart IF a man looks with lustful INTENT —(that means he plans to ravish a girl NOT just a look of admiration, like Absalom’s brother who raped his own sister Tamar on 2 Samuel 13)—at a woman. (Matthew 5:28)
And thirdly, the Spiritual Adultery by MAKING FRIENDS THE WORLD (James 4:4 & 2 Peter 2:14) and also, the SIN of the servants of GOD who committed ADULTERY with Jezebel by eating food sacrificed to IDOLS. (Revelation 2:20-22)
THAT, My friend ALONG with FORNICATION is a SIN in GOD’s Eyes …
“For Fornicators (sexually immoral) AND Adulterers GOD will JUDGE” (Hebrews 13:4) but definitely NOT those who masturbate OR have emission of semen which, LIKE women’s menstruation IS common to men.
Let us NOT go BEYOND what is written. (1 Corinthians 4:6)
Noah, I am going to make this comment on record here.
I and still do, hope that there is sex/romantic relationships in Heaven for me. And I have been through people mocking or admonishing me for wanting that on top of having been single my entire life. If you take away our desire to have that or our ability to engage in it, that is manipulation of free will and our created image.
I just wish you could understand though. Just because we say Heaven is so greater, that shouldn’t remove our desire for something that God created as being good. God’s image has failed to live up to his plans till now because of Satan, and then in Heaven he has to create a different plan for us. Sorry, but I am abhorred at the idea that God has to change his plan somehow because Satan and his legions interfered. And even if other people think sex is horrible or have been betrayed by a bad experience of it, its cruel that people who had none of this experience but desired to have it will miss out here, but also miss out on it for eternity when they are gone. Its the same as telling a person and rejoicing in “hallelujah” that a very close friend of a person has died and won’t come back, but “at least you still have past memories or can find a new friend”. And how is this not the same thing as death in a way? And if I continue to dislike it that way, I will suffer even more in Hell for eternity?
My faith has shrunken to being smaller than a tiny mustard seed, because in part it seems like so many teachers or other people into Christianity who say they have the most empathy don’t really seem to have empathy for those struggling this subject.
Claud, your post of
September 5, 2021 at 7:34 pm was very well said,
Countless Christians for many various reasons are unable to have decent Sex Lives in this Current Earthly life, and they are bombarded with Sexual Images everywhere in our Society, in the Media, TV, Movies, Advertising, etc. Sometimes they live in Puritanical Sexually Repressed nations like America that Outlaw Prostitution, Sex Work for Consenting Adults, so they cannot even legally pay for Sex, they are Forced to go without Sex, and they get very jealous, envious of people who have Intimate Relationships, and they get jealous hearing about Other people’s Sex Lives and Love Lives.
This is all the More Reason,
Sexual Intercourse and Lovemaking Needs to Exist in Heaven and the New Earth..For us Christians in Heaven and the New Earth everyone should have great Sex Lives, Love Lives , No Exceptions, No One should be left out, Sex in Heaven and the New Earth for Everyone, regardless if they ever got Married or Not in this Earthly Life, it’s about Sex, but also about Love, Companionship, Relationships, etc . It’s Not good for anyone to be alone
Never Again should anyone be lonely or Miserable,
Have you ever read the book
Heaven: by Randy Alcorn, it’s a Superb book , that details the differences between The Current Heaven and the New Earth,
The one flaw in
Randy Alcorn’s book is his
Faulty Weak Arguments against Sexual Intercourse and Lovemaking existing in Heaven and the New Earth, but otherwise his book is superb.
Upon this I awaked, and beheld; and my sleep was sweet unto me. (Jeremiah 31:26)
Sweet dreams
amidst turbulent times:
I guess we’re headed to something better, despite the situation the world is going through right now.
It’s 4:36 AM here and The Lord just woke Me up from a delicious dream.
In that dream, we went through a whole lot of trials and challenges from a dark starless night, only to end up in a village lit up with bright lights, heavenly songs and happy villagers.
The air is crisp and fresh, the streets and highways clean of debris, and every face lit up with beautiful smiles and joy that I have never before seen. In that dream I was like a little child playing kick the can with an empty bottle of Yakult. 😄 Till I was joined by a sweet young lady who walked with Me as we went through an elevated slope to a beautiful arch with two elegantly carved pillars, which has, in that dream, newly made.
I showed that to her, pointing at it and she stood speechless with joy as if to say “wow, that’s amazing.”
Then we kept walking along to that elevated hill, hand in hand, till we ended up in each other’s arms and … well, each other’s lips.
Then I woke up, 4:27.
I guess that dream was sent to Me for a reason. Just like Jeremiah, who was given a sweet dream, despite the fact that they were headed towards captivity, as slaves in Babylon, The Lord of all, whom we call Father and Friend sends His people dreams and visions in the night to comfort and encourage them, never to give up or lose hope, in critical times.
These sweet dreams inspire them to look NOT on the present situation they’re in, but to better things, towards a more brighter tomorrow that awaits them in the end, after the rains of tears are over.
I guess that’s the heart and spirit of Rosh ha Shanah. New life. New world. New adventures.
New Beginnings.
Rai, what do you think of the comment made by
Claud on September 5th, 2021 at 7:34pm , I think many Sexually Frustrated, Lonely Christians understand how he feels
Rai, I’m curious what is your reply
to the comment by Claud on
September 5th, 2021 at 7:34pm,
I think many Christians can
understand how he feels, the pain he feels.
Jee,
GOD understands the pain and frustration he feels BETTER than anyone else could understand and will give His servants MORE than what they ask or imagine.
Rai, I’ve heard some people say
“There are no guarantees when it comes to the Afterlife” but does the Bible agree with that statement…? What do you think..?I think that for us
Christians , everyone who is in
Heaven and the New Earth should have everything that they want, need and desire. At least that, At least in Heaven and in the New Earth, everyone should have whatever they want, need and desire, especially if for
Whatever various reasons they are unable to have what they desire and need in this Earthly life,
Rai, Have a great weekend, do you have a reply to my comment of
September 14th, 2021 at 6:48pm ?
Some PEOPLE say.
Who do YOU trust more?
GOD or man?
I have another comparison: Windows 10 and 10 Pro. Windows 7 Home Premium vs. Windows 7 Professional and Ultimate. Comparing sex to heaven, and chocolates to sex could be like comparing Windows 10 Home to Pro or 7 Home Basic to Professional and Ultimate.
Or a model airplane to the real thing.
Or baby milk to adult food such as steak, mashed potatoes, pasta, bread, pizza, vegetables, and such.
https://www.boundless.org/adulthood/sexuality/whats-the-purpose-of-sexuality-if-im-single/ – why would God take away part of what he made us to be?
The site says the following:
Sexual desire invites you to pursue covenant.
Sexual intimacy within marriage is the celebration of covenant.
Sexual faithfulness is the promise of covenant.
Then if you don’t get that covenant on Earth, then why don’t you get in heaven what you pursued? Why don’t you get what you were invited to?
Rai, You typed
on September 18th, 2021 at 3:11pm
“Some PEOPLE say.
Who do YOU trust more?
GOD or man?” God of course, however what is your opinion and does the Bible agree with the statement
“There are no guarantees when it comes to the Afterlife”
It’s very sad how things are getting worse and worse in America and Worldwide, I’ve read that many people are pessimistic about the future
Well since you’ve mentioned guarantees, let’s look INTO Holy Scripture, what GOD, not us, thinks about it,
… so that your faith would not be based on human wisdom but on the Power of GOD. (1 Corinthians 2:5 (NET)
On Genesis 9:12-17 (NET) after GOD sent a flood to wipe out the wicked, He gave a sign of His Covenant to Noah, the rainbow on the sky—
And GOD said, “This is the guarantee of the covenant I am making with you and every living creature with you, a covenant for all subsequent generations:
I will place my rainbow in the clouds, and it will become a GUARANTEE of the covenant between Me AND the earth.
Whenever I bring clouds over the earth and the rainbow appears in the clouds,
then I will remember my covenant with you and with all living creatures of all kinds. Never again will the waters become a flood and destroy all living things.
When the rainbow is in the clouds, I will notice it and remember the PERPETUAL covenant between God and all living creatures of all kinds that are on the earth.”
So GOD said to Noah, “This is the guarantee of the covenant that I am confirming between Me AND all living things that are on the earth.”
Here we have seen that since the beginning, GOD gave mankind a sign from the sky, a RAINBOW to REMIND them of His Faithfulness to His COVENANT, and that “rainbow in the clouds … will become a GUARANTEE of the covenant between (GOD) AND the earth.”
As we have seen, that Rainbow AFTER the rain was mentioned multiple times in the Scripture, such as the vision the prophet Ezekiel saw on 1:26-28, when he saw a RAINBOW surrounding GOD’s Throne.
Take note that before The Creator, the rainbow doesn’t only appear after the rain BUT is FOREVER surrounding GOD’s Throne, which means that GOD will ALWAYS be mindful of His Covenant between Him and His People.
As king David wrote in the Psalms 111:5—
He ALWAYS remembers His Covenant.
Always as The Rainbow is ALWAYS before His Throne, from Genesis to Revelation
On Revelation 4:3 we read—
And The One seated on it was like jasper and carnelian in appearance, and A RAINBOW looking like it was made of emerald encircled The Throne.
This should be enough to encourage us that GOD
… is faithful to His covenant with those who love Him and keep His commandments. (Daniel 9:4 (NET)
A covenant is synonymous to an agreement AND a promise between two or three individuals, in this case, GOD and His People.
Part of GOD’s Covenant, is to bless those who love Him with everlasting life and to give them their heart’s desires.
As it is written,
For the LORD God is a sun and shield: the LORD will give grace and glory: NO GOOD THING will He withhold from them that walk uprightly.
And THAT is GUARANTEED.
For however MANY are the promises of GOD, in Him (Yeshua) is the “Yes.” Therefore also through him is the “Amen”, to the glory of GOD through us.
(2 Corinthians 1:20 (WEBM)
Be Comforted My friend with GOD’s Word, and His Promise that those who overcome will inherit ALL things. (Revelation 21:7)
GUARANTEED!
Yes. Our enemies will pay for everything they’ve done. Evildoers will never get away with what they’ve done. So will the Devil.
See https://genderlovesexuality.wordpress.com/2021/09/10/why-doesnt-everyone-have-soulmate/
If it’s inappropriate, just disable the link if you can.
The following articles are based on the teachings of Emmanuel Swedenborg: https://leewoof.org/2015/08/31/can-you-fall-in-love-in-heaven-if-you-havent-found-someone-on-earth/ and https://leewoof.org/2017/01/12/didnt-jesus-say-theres-no-marriage-in-heaven/. Jack Wellman at https://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/ doesn’t allow such links on his site.
Don’t trust Swedenborg!
Jonathan, why should we Not trust Swedenborg ?
Because of his heresy.
“It’s intimacy with Jesus. We get to experience this intimacy on earth. This unconditional love where God adopts us as his sons and daughters and is well-pleased with us and we are fully accepted into his arms because of what Jesus did on the cross for us. But imagine this experience in a fully direct, physical way. Wow! That is heaven.”
That doesn’t help. They seem different. Doesn’t feel like a sign to Disneyland or a model airplane, metaphorically speaking. Because I want a female partner, and Jesus is male. You know how people appreciate their opposites?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure marriage is supposed to be horizontal, not vertical like our relationship with Jesus.
Does sexual pleasure really point to something in heaven given by the Lamb?
Good Point, Jonathan. Intimacy with Jesus is spiritual, we, COLLECTIVELY, as His Bride, however INDIVIDUALLY, as males, it’s normal for us to seek a female partner to satisfy our needs not just lusts/ desires as normal human beings.
This is why GOD creates females to supply that need.
If intimacy with GOD was enough for Adam then WHY did He create Eve?
Was it just for sexual pleasure, procreation OR partnership?
From that standpoint, we can begin the journey.
Jesus is not gay or even bi. I highly doubt Jesus was ever tempted by homosexuality.
Rai & Others , Myself and other Christians agree, that when God gives the saved the things they want & desire in Heaven, and the New Earth, it should never be like that famous expression “Be Careful what you wish for” . That would then mean that the fulfilled wants & desires of Christians would backfire on them and create suffering , and in Heaven and the New Earth there is No Suffering , am I right ?
Straight Answer?
Yes.
Only those things that are GOOD as it is written
Psalms 84:11 (KJV) For the LORD God is a sun and shield: the LORD will give grace and glory: no GOOD THING will He withold from them that walk uprightly.
And since GOD and NOT the Devil created ALL things that are beautiful and that INCLUDES sex and procreation, that is one of the wishes that will be granted and fulfilled in A WORLD MADE NEW with PERFECT offspring and a PERFECT, immortal, righteous, ageless, generation.
They shall not LABOUR in vain, labor BRING FORTH for trouble; for they are the SEED of the blessed of the LORD, and their OFFSPRING with them.
And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent’s meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.
Isaiah 65:23-25 (KJV)
ALL these happening NOT now BUT as The Apostle Peter who KNEW the Prophecy of Isaiah well, in The NEW HEAVENS AND THE NEW EARTH … The Home of Righteousness. (2 Peter 3:13)
Blessings to ALL the faithful, until Messiah Returns.
AMEN.
See the blog post https://genderlovesexuality.wordpress.com/2021/10/22/my-thoughts-about-sexuality-and-marriage-in-heaven/
Thank you for the link Jonathan and thank you for pointing them to the comments on this page, especially to My Bible Based understanding on the subject. GOD Bless
Rai , These days many people say things like
“No one is entitled to Sex” &
“No one is entitled to anything” Is that really a Biblical Christian perspective ? Also why must they use the word entitled ? I feel that all human beings should have a great Sex Life, Love Life and decent Quality of Life overall. If Not in this life, at least in Heaven and the New Earth. At least that .
Playboy Magazine said in the early 2000s that all human beings deserve to have a great Sex Life. I think most Christians would agree with that statement.
Plus when I said I feel that all people should have great Sex Lives , Love Lives & overall Quality of Life in this current Earthly life. Just to clarify, I’m Not talking about the false “Prosperity Gospel” that some preacher teach today.
What is your opinion of the Bible verse John 14: 2 where Jesus mentions “Many Mansions” according to the KJV, while other translations translate it as
“many rooms” Do you think Christians will have their own homes in Heaven, ? Do you think there will be Privacy or Secrets in Heaven ?
Shalom, My friend and brother.
Apologies for the late reply, been busy in the real although temporal, world.
“Some say”
“Many people say”
“They say”
WHO cares what people, angels, devils or even aliens may say, if aliens exist, AS LONG AS your eyes AND ears are FIXED on GOD’s promise?
Like Martha, you worry about too many things. But take My brother advice, IGNORE them.
IGNORE humans no matter how rich, poor, intellectual or influential they are.
Be OPEN only to the words of GOD and His Son Jesus Christ, then you will have PEACE even if the whole world condemns you and mocks your beliefs.
GOD Bless
Rai , do you have a reply to my comment here of
January 10th, 2022 at 9:10pm ?
Hope you have a Happy & Safe 2022
Also would anyone else like to give a reply to my comment of
January 10th, 2022 at 9:10pm ?
Rai, are you there ? I became worried, I didn’t hear from you in a while, do you have a reply to my comment of
January 10th, 2022 at 9:10pm ?
I would not annoy someone. I would just be patient. In case they’re ignoring me, be silent for a few months or until they reply.
If there is no sex or marriage in heaven then we all got cheated. Only Adam and Eve got to experience that relationship in perfection, everyone else experienced it in a flawed, fallen world where we have imperfection, where we age, where our body rots and decays. God does not create something to be imperfect, or to be experienced imperfectly. If God created something, He meant it to be experienced in its perfection.
If I sold you an old, broken down car and said, “Now you’ve experienced the joy of driving a car” would you be satisfied? If I then took you to a new world where cars would be bran new and said, “Sorry, this world is not for cars” would it make you happy?
To me, resurrecting us to a life of single celibacy is like putting a blind man in a pitch black room and saying you can see now.
EXCELLENT POINT! No comments
I totally agree! My thought exactly!
Or what about computers? If a computer didn’t meet your expectations (whether Windows ME, Vista, 8, or 11)… And then “Sorry, this world is not for computers.”
Or food, like “Sorry, this place is not for food.”
Can someone answer, One Christian website said “Some argue that
Matthew 22:30 teaches that there will be no “new” Marriage in Heaven. Yet that argument falls apart in light of Romans 7:2-3 which says
“For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband. 3 So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man.” That Romans
7:2-3 says Marriage is dissolved at Death
Good to see you guys are still active. Praise the Lord. Well that passage you cited on Romans is self explanatory, don’t you think?
That’s why there will be no need for wedding ceremonies in Heaven or in the World to come, as there will be no need for a temple and the light of the sun, where GOD and the Lamb reigns.
All of these things are just shadows of a GREATER REALITY, just as the marriages on Earth foreshadows the GREATER Marriage of The Bride and the Lamb.
But that doesn’t mean relationships, romance and friendship will cease to exist, just like happiness and a fulfilled life, only because the shadows are gone.
When you see Me in person, do you still want to spend your whole day staring on My photograph or enjoying My company?
Relationships in the World to come is just like that, the pleasure more intense and the happiness gratifying, than the happiness we have here.
For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
1 Corinthians 13:9-10 (UKJV)
And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
(Revelation 21:22-23 (UKJV)
Jesus said—
At that day all of you shall know that I am in my Father, and all of you in Me, and I in you. (John 14:20 (UKJV)
John 16:23 (UKJV) And in that day all of you shall ask Me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever all of you shall ask the Father in My name, He will give it you.
He said on that Day you will ASK ME NOTHING
WHY?
BECAUSE WE WILL ALREADY HAVE EVERYTHING WE EVER WISHED FOR on THAT DAY WE SHALL SEE HIM AGAIN! (John 16:22)
First fulfillment, when the Apostles saw Him Rise and the Last, when we shall see Him Return and enjoy the happiness and blessings of the NEW heavens and the NEW Earth!
No wonder He said well not ask Him anything because ALL THINGS WILL BE OURS. As GOD has promised on Revelation 21:7 (UKJV)
He that overcomes shall INHERIT ALL THINGS; and I will be his GOD, and he shall be My son.
Now, if you already have ALL THINGS, not just some OR most things you like, is there ANYTHING else you wanna ask for?
Nothing!
There’s nothing more to ask for because you HAVE IT ALL, baby!
Wealth, fame, riches, lovers, houses, romance, families, glory, perfect health, perfect life, perfect relationships in a perfectly beautiful, peaceful and blissful world!
Tell Me what more do you want with that kind of World?
The World to Come where Life is EVERLASTING is where the Words of Jesus gets its FULL MEANING
The thief comes not, but in order to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have LIFE, and that they might have it MORE ABUNDANTLY. (John 10:10 (UKJV)
And what can be MORE Abundant than EVERLASTING LIFE? No not the billions on your bank account, not your husband or your wife, your children, your properties, your dreams and hobbies in this TEMPORAL WORLD but your life, joy and happiness in A WORLD that would NEVER end!
This is why 1 Corinthians 3:21-23 (UKJV) says —
Therefore let no man glory in men. For ALL THINGS ARE YOURS;
Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, OR THINGS TO COME; all are your’s;
And all of you are Christ’s; and Christ is God’s.
Be Satisfied
Be Enlightened
GOD Bless
There is sensuality in Heaven then there is “SEX!” Perhaps there is no procreation in Heaven, but the experience of being intimate with another soul of the opposite sex is what God intends. This is because sex and gender is reflected in the nature of the Godhead. The verse in Genesis says, “Let us make man in our own image, so God made male and female.” There you go.
Christianity always has a problem with sex, and the anti sex stuff said in the context of the new testament should be taken with a grain of salt. Those people who wrote disparagingly about sex, were sexless themselves… the so-called “eunuchs”. Jesus might have been one himself and probably was Paul, and who knows how many others in the new testament.
Think about that.
Mr. Bartling , could you please elaborate on what you mean about sensuality in Heaven, and your other points made in your above post of May 9th , 2022
In this current Earthly life,
many disabled and healthy Christians alike are often unable to find and get Sex and Love for various reasons. Sometimes they have to go for many years or decades upon decades upon decades without Sex. Especially if they live in a Puritanical Sexually Repressed Nation like America, where people cannot even legally pay for Sex with other consenting adults. They are Forced to endure a Miserable Sexless Existence. Often they Suffer in Silence. The extremely serious painful problem of the many Christians who want Sex, Love, Companionship, Relationships but are unable to get it , that alone is a Very Compelling Reason for why Sexual Intercourse and Lovemaking exists in Heaven and the New Earth for Christians.
In Heaven and the New Earth everyone should have the Sex Lives and Love Lives that they want, need and desire. No one should be left out
Anyone else agree with my above comment of July 5th, 2022 – 6:19pm ? I made a Superb argument for why Sex & Lovemaking exists in Heaven and the New Earth
Ever heard people ask “how far is too far?” Well Heaven might go farther than sex!
Jonathan Dahlin , could you please elaborate when you said
“Ever heard people ask “how far is too far?” Well Heaven might go farther than sex!” Please Explain , also do you think Christians in
Heaven and the New Earth will Watch TV shows or Movies ?
My Mother who passed away in 2014 at the age of 63 loved watching the CBS comedy show
“The Big Bang Theory” Imagine if in Heaven she is watching the prequel series “Young Sheldon” which first aired in
September 2017 , she would Love Young Sheldon as well
Noah , Why are many of the Comments people typed no longer appearing ?
Hi Jeff,
Thanks for your comment. We had a technical issue with an upgrade to our website and comments from the past year disappeared. Our web developers are working hard to figure out what happened and try to restore these if possible.
Blessings,
Keith
Oh. So that explains why I couldn’t find some of our previous comments. Dont blame the techs. Its Satan that’s behind it. He doesn’t want people to know the TRUTH
Keith Rose , Thanks for your reply, myself and other people worked very hard on those comments and discussions.
Keith Rose , Please Respond , how long before the comments are back online, any progress , do you estimate they will be back by
Thanksgiving, Christmas ? It’s very important to me and other people. I apologize if I’m being a pest , Yours Truly , Jeff W
Hi Jeff! Thanks for your comment. Unfortunately, I don’t know if or when the comments will be recovered. They were lost during an update to the website, and I’m not sure whether it’s possible to reverse that or not.
Keith
Keith Rose, I understand
But in the meantime, I think we should All see this
Christian Blog about Sex and Lovemaking in Heaven
The blog is here http://istheresexinheaven.blogspot.com/?m=1
Like I said, I think the
False View of
“No Sex in Heaven” is Very
Problematic
Hi Keith
We appreciate your efforts. But don’t worry, whether those comments are restored OR not, the MOST important thing is that the SEED has been planted to those who have read
Blessings
This seems to be the predominate view of sex among Christian leaders, in my experience. And I’m a 55 year old man, having been a Christian since I was 18.
What is remarkable to me is, in all its wise-sounding & righteous-sounding reasoning, it makes some critical, fallacious assumptions. Also, it seems to fall into the traditional pitfall that heaven is a perpetual trance of ongoing worship services surrounding God, filled by God, and uninterrupted in its seemingly rapturous celebration. And there is no other activity forever. Really?
First of all, I am not included in the “we” statements about what “we” all have as attitudes and expectations about sex. Secondly, I’ve had sex with wife many times and I still look forward to and love eating chocolate; C.S. Lewis is brilliant, but he’s not necessarily right about everything. Thirdly, like Peter Kreeft, I’ve often wondered if the line of reasoning that says no sex because Jesus said no marriage, is itself born of a culture-twisted outlook on sex. It’s as if it’s a dirty, nasty business that is just barely made permissible by marriage. And then God does away with it after this earth-life so that we can experience his love in a “direct, bodily” way, whatever that means… whereas supposedly my wife’s love toward me in intercourse has nothing to do with God and is not in any way an expression of God toward me.
The world and this life in it is depressing enough, do we have to sterilize heaven-after as a platonic, literal Revelation 4 & 5? Consider this–that perhaps God commanded sexual exchanges between a man and woman to stay within the boundary of monogamous marriage because of sin, pure and simple. Without sin there is no human jealousy, no feelings of owning someone with exclusivity, no fear of abandonment, no shame in nakedness and holy sexual expressions.
And I can imagine so much more than the declining sexual relationship I currently have with my wife. And I’m very confident this intense, painful longing as a male that remains not fully satisfied yet submitted to Christ as “a living sacrifice,” is not a pragmatic hoodwinking by God in his eternal design of me as a male. My deepest core of existing has in it a natural attraction to female with soul-deep yearning for intercourse and union. I’m very convinced by now that this is not purely mammal-biology.
One might say, “Oh just grow up, pal!” But that’s just it: I did. And still am.
Hi All
Even with The Bible closed and our MINDS AND HEARTS OPEN to what we SEE and OBSERVE in the World Around us, the doctrine that teaches that sex and lovemaking is ONLY part of this life in THIS world, has been one of the BIGGEST FACTORS (among all others) that causes desperation and provokes men and women, from all walks of life AND religion, to commit ALL sorts of sexual crimes HERE ON THIS WORLD, including immorality, adultery AND fornication, BECAUSE they SWALLOWED the LIE that sex is ONLY meant for this world AND THEY WONT HAVE A SECOND CHANCE OF IT, in the AFTERLIFE.
Whether OR not people believe that there is sex and procreation in Heaven OR The Afterlife, doesn’t deny the FACT that humans having their own individual WEAKNESSES still yield to sexual temptations.
HOW MUCH MORE SO, IF THEY ARE CONVINCED that sex and lovemaking is reserved ONLY, in this Life?
But let’s leave the subject of sex and procreation for the meantime. To UNDERSTAND a DEEPER PICTURE of where we’re getting at, IMAGINE IF THE LORD YESHUA/ JESUS told HIS Disciples that MANSIONS and BEAUTIFUL HOUSES are ONLY meant on THIS LIFE IN THIS WORLD NOT in Heaven OR The Afterlife … what do YOU think the Disciples, who ALSO wish a life of COMFORT would do?
May your answer to that open your eyes to understand The REAL issue.
GOD BLESS US ALL.
Rai & Man_in_the_Shadows
The sad ugly truth is that countless Christians, disabled and healthy alike are often unable to find and get Sex, Love, Relationships and Companionship in this Earthly Life. They endure horrible Loneliness, Isolation, Rejection, Valentine’s Day and
The Holiday Season, Thanksgiving, Christmas are especially painful for them. Rejection, Romantic Rejection is very painful for people. Countless people Not being able to get Sex for various reasons is an
Extremely Serious Painful Problem for Countless people, causing horrible suffering, Mental, Physical and Spiritual Suffering. Especially when they are unable to get Sex for many years or decades upon decades upon decades, often in their Sleep these Sex Starved Christians are tormented by horrible bad dreams and nightmares, they wake up crying , with chest pains. Plus to make things worse, much worse, they live in Very
Puritanical Sexually Repressed Nations like America that stupidly Outlaws Prostitution for Consenting Adults. While Prostitution, Sex Work for Consenting Adults is Perfectly Legal in Most Other Nations of the World in 2023 , but Not America. The “Freedom” in America is a Joke, a Sick Pathetic Joke. Puritan Sexually Repressive America unjustly Forces countless Millions of people into a Miserable Sexless Existence.
All of these things I mentioned are Reasons why Sexual Intercourse & Lovemaking needs to Exist in Heaven and the New Earth
I think the Traditional Mainstream Christian View of
“No Sex in Heaven” is unbiblical and a Lie from the pits of Hell, horribly unjust and unfair to countless people who are unable to have decent Sex Lives , Love Lives in this current Earthly Life
All Human Beings deserve to have a Great Sex Life !!!
In Heaven and the New Earth , no one should ever suffer from
Rejection, Loneliness, Sexual Frustration, being unable to get Sex , too much of that misery sadly exists in this current Earthly Life.
Keith Rose & Noah Filipiak
Yesterday on Saturday February 11, 2023 , I worked very hard to post a very good comment to this article, how long until it is posted ? The comment Rai made of
February 8th , 2023 did make some excellent points , I personally and many others would agree that in America many Sex Crimes and Non-Sex crimes are sadly the Result of Sexual Frustration, and America refuses to listen to Reason and be Reasonable and just Legalize Prostitution Sex Work for All consenting adults and in all 50 States at Reasonable Prices .
Sadly in 2023 America is still a Very Sexually Repressed Immature Puritanical Nation. People are having Less Sex , many have said that America is in a Sex Recession, the pandemic has made things worse
Since Sex & Lovemaking probably does exist in Heaven and the New Earth, and if procreation also exists , what if some people want to just enjoy Sex and Lovemaking in Heaven, and the New Earth but Not Procreation, will God respect their wishes and allow them to have Sex without Procreation ?
I forgot to add this blog
https://christiansexinheaven.blogspot.com/?m=1
Grace and Peace to you Jeff and to all our wonderful brethren in pilgrimage,—
The past quakes that rattled the world, particularly in places like Turkey and New Zealand has undoubtedly left a lasting scar to those who have suffered loss of property and loved ones, and we as one, share their grief.
In these last days as it has been foreseen by Our Lord in Scripture, we have witnessed an increasing number of catastrophic events occuring in the world we live in. Such earth-shaking events are indeed, unprecedented and are visible indications of His imminent Return.
But despite the loss that we have suffered, and inspite of the heartbreaks—[our family has just gone through a loss of a relative, who died from a vehicular accident]—there remains HOPE that shines like a star, through this difficult times.
HOPE that gives us courage to walk with head held high.
HOPE that brings a smile to our lips, behind the tears and HOPE that gives us the strength we need, in troublesome times KNOWING that all the ugly events we now see would all become a thing of the PAST, never to be remembered.
And when we say this, we DARE to include EVERY loss and EVERY heartbreak known to man, whether it is through the LOSS of a spouse or a loved one, the LOSS of property or of things they cherish and hold dear.
This is ONE THING that sets us apart from the world of unbelievers whose portion is only in THIS life (Psalms 17:14). After they die, their hope and dreams DIE with them. Because without Christ, they will be raised up only to be judged and suffer the second death, in the lake of fire.
HOWEVER, for those of us who believe, Our HOPE lives on, even in the face of death. Because as the Apostle Paul would say —
If in THIS LIFE ONLY we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. (1 Corinthians 15:19 (UKJV)
In context, the life he mentions here is the PRESENT ONE, in a world that is STILL under the curse, a world where we TOGETHER with creation, “groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, that is to say, the REDEMPTION, of our Body.” (Romans 8:23)
The GOOD NEWS is that our Faith and Hope is NOT just attached to this PRESENT world OR PRESENT Life, marred with pain and heartbreak, with calamities, losses, death and disaster.
Our dream isn’t just to be happy in this world which would one day end, whether in life or in death. A world that we’ll one day leave behind when we rest in peace.
No.
But it extends BEYOND this life to the Next.
BEYOND this world to the Coming One …
Where we shall have ALL OUR WISHES GRANTED and OUR WILDEST AND SWEETEST DREAMS FULFILLED, in A NEW World where hearts aren’t broken and things don’t get stolen.
And that is why GOD sent forth His Son, NOT just to give life to a dying world OR to give hope to the hopeless, BUT to inspire men to dream of greater things … of things that would last, so that they WONT easily yield to depression when their dreams fall apart, in this present world.
For even AFTER they’ve gone to their final rest, they will RISE AGAIN in A World where the BLIND can see, the LAME ones can walk again, the MUTE can speak and sing! The weary heart comforted, the weeping soul can rejoice and the poor ones can be eternally, wealthy. (Isaiah 35:5-6 & 2 Corinthians 8:9)
How much more to those who have NOT experienced having a PERFECT relationship in this IMPERFECT world?
Lest others MISunderstand, we just want to make ONE THING PERFECTLY CLEAR: We are NOT Sex Starved Animals NEITHER are we focusing on SEX alone like having seventy houris in a Muslim Paradise.
No.
Definitely NOT.
We are just stating that GOD is NOT against Sex NOR ANY PERFECT thing that comes from Above that HE HIMSELF, NOT Satan, has created, in the first place.
And this is one of the things that would REMAIN, in the World to Come OR the NEW Heavens and NEW Earth, where people, although no need to pass through marriages (Matthew 22:30), BECAUSE they are COLLECTIVELY betrothed to GOD and the LAMB (Hosea 2:19 & Revelation 19:7), making human marriage unnecessary, CAN still PROCREATE PERFECT and PRODUCE GODLY Seed FOR GOD in A World WITHOUT any curse. (Malachi 2:15 & Isaiah 65:17,23)
For the World to Come would be lacking any BEAUTIFUL and NICE thing (MINUS ALL THE MISERY and the UGLY THINGS, of course), then its NOT A LIFE worth dying for.
But thanks be to GOD as it is written in Scripture—
NO GOOD THING will GOD withold from them that WALK UPRIGHTLY. (Psalms 84:11)
And one of those GOOD THINGS is Sex that GOD has designed between partners to produce GODLY seed OR offspring.
We can be thankful that like the pharisees and scribes, who MISUNDERSTOOD the Scriptures before enough to KILL their own Savior, MOST of the cardinals, priests, preachers and evangelists TODAY have ALSO, in the SAME way, TWISTED the words of the Scripture to their audience, resulting in dissatisfaction AND depression, among most of their members.
But we are here, SENT by GOD, to speak NOT our own words to tickle men’s ears BUT HIS, in order to give hope and comfort to those who are hoping and waiting, for a BETTER AND BRIGHTER WORLD to COME, which is the NEW Heavens AND The NEW Earth, the Home of Righteousness. (2 Peter 3:13)
AMEN and AMEN.
Glory to YAH’s Name and The LAMB forever.
Rai , In response to your post of
February 23rd , I agree that for us
Christians Heaven & The New Earth, will Not be a giant orgy of Sex , Non-Stop Sex . Just like in this current Earthly Life Sex is one of many things Christians enjoy
However I do believe that
Sexual Intercourse & Lovemaking will be one of many many things that Christians will enjoy in Heaven and the New Earth. Things such as Food, Beverage, Sleep, Our Beloved Pets, other cute animals, Sports, Music, Books, TV, Movies, Video Games, Computers, Joyful Worship of God, Jesus & the Holy Spirit. Friendship & Fellowship with other Christians, have you ever read the book Heaven: by Randy Alcorn, it’s a great book , but his arguments against Christians enjoying Sex in Heaven and the New Earth are weak
There are countless Christians , Socially Awkward, disabled and healthy alike who for various reasons are unable to find and get Sex, Dates, Love,Intimate Relationships, Companionship in this current Earthly Life
They endure crippling debilitating loneliness, Rejection. Romantic Rejection and being unable to get Sex is a very Serious problem for many people . At least in Heaven and the New Earth, all Christians deserve to have and should have a great Sex Life and Love Love Life
I’m an Evangelical Protestant, Not Mormon , LDS.
I’ve read Mormonism teaches
Sexual Intercourse exists in Heaven. I wonder how often the Average Mormon thinks about Sex in Heaven, Sex After Death
Hi Jeff
Simply put—or should I say, to extraordinarily put, OUR FATHER GOD will grant us MORE — (not less) — of what we ask OR imagine, (Ephesians 3:20) as long as it serves His purpose and its for His Children’s Happiness …
NO GOOD THING will He withold from them that walk uprightly. (Psalms 84:11)
So don’t be afraid to make a LIST OF ALL the things you want. GOD can give you MORE than what that mythological elf on a pagan Xmas day, couldn’t.
Because Our GOD is TRUE and Our KING is REAL and FAITHFUL to ALL HIS PROMISES.
As Numbers 23:19 (NET) tells us —
GOD is NOT a man, that He should lie, NOR a human being, that He should change His mind. Has He said, and will He not do it? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it happen?
Indeed He will, and when He makes His Promises happen for US HIS CHILDREN all creation will rejoice, when they see, the glorious LIBERTY, of The Children of GOD. (Romans 8:19)
And there will no longer be any curse, and the throne of God and the Lamb will be in the city. His servants will worship him,
and they will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads.
Night will be no more, and they will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, because the Lord God will shine on them, and they will reign forever and ever. (Revelation 22:3-5 (NET)
Just think how joyful and exhilarating our NEW LIFE on GOD’S NEW WORLD would be.
Can you even begin to imagine how happy we’d all be living in a Reality where there will be no more curse?
No more pain or illnesses. No more outcry. No more hunger or thirst, no more famine or scarcity because food and drink would be abundant in GOD’S Kingdom and in Jehovah’s Mountain.
It would be perpetual feasting and endless celebration for everyone, actually. (Isaiah 25:6; 65:13 & Isaiah 49:10 Cp Revelation 7:16-17)
No more divorce or suicide rates because all men and women would be loyal and faithful. Children would not be born for trouble so there’d be no more bullies or stubborn kids at that time but perfectly obedient to their parents and their Heavenly Father.
The prophet Isaiah tells us that when the NEW heavens and the NEW earth comes (Isaiah 65:17 Cp 2 Peter 3:13) …
[Those who are saved] … will not work in vain, or GIVE BIRTH to children that will experience disaster. For the Lord will bless their children and their descendants. (Isaiah 65:23 (NET)
So here alone we can prove BIBLICALLY that when GOD’S New World comes, normal relationship between lovers and partners, continues.
What’s more there would be no more death or old age because everyone would be rejuvenated and eternally youthful, just like GOD’S Angels are.
As the book of Job states—
Job 33:25 (NET)
…then his flesh is restored like a youth’s; he returns to the days of his youthful vigor.
All these are just a fraction of the magnificent future GOD has in store for ALL HIS Children.
Living in such a Utopia would literally be spectacular and mindblowing! And this ISN’T just childish fantasies BUT heavenly Realities!
This is why we should be strong.
This is why we should continue to be faithful and hopeful
Because Hope doesn’t disappoint.
And this hope will not lead to disappointment. For we know how dearly God loves us, because he has given us the Holy Spirit to fill our hearts with His love. (Romans 5:5)
Rai & Everyone else, how can we respond to this Judeo-Christian
article from the God Squad about
Marriage & Sex in Heaven
https://www.union-bulletin.com/the-god-squad-are-there-marriages-in-heaven/article_2724717e-be03-11ed-8ef6-d7d1718a9d33.html
Plus, as an Evangelical Protestant Christian myself , I also hope Jesus Returns soon , Very Soon to End All, Evil, Suffering and Injustice in this World once and for All Forever and makes the World a Perfect Utopian Paradise as I described in my blog about my Mother who passed away in 2014 at the age of 63
The blog is ripmrswinters.blogspot.com
Did you ever read the book Heaven by Randy Alcorn ? It’s a Superb Book that describes Heaven and the Coming New Earth, but Randy Alcorn is wrong when he says Sexual Intercourse and Lovemaking will Not Exist in Heaven and the New Earth.
Things are sadly getting worse and worse in America and Worldwide, the sooner Jesus Returns the Better
Rai , do we have a Rebuttal to the
God Squad article ? Did anyone see my blog
https://ripmrswinters.blogspot.com/?m=1
The things in Heaven will be a step up from sex.