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54 thoughts on “If you are watching “Game of Thrones,” you are watching porn.

  1. I would add, that virtually all of today’s viewing is laced with porn, including most commercials. We cut the cord a long time ago. We now use a ROKU to stream many free and wonderful channels – especially the tremendous Genesis Science Network..

    • Very well written and truthful. It bothers me a great deal that so many “Christians” are watching Game of Thrones and advertising that they do so on Facebook. I have taken them to task but they desire the gratification of their flesh more than obedience and holiness.

    • I’m really disturbed that this pastor says nothing about the appalling amount of violence in the show. Americans love their violence more than their porn and it shows in our culture. This show has not been sanitized, and while there are some consensual sex scenes, most involve rape and prostitution, because women were and continue to be victims of rape and prostitution, all of which has been occurring prior to the advent of the porn industry. If the sex is realistic to the period and graphic and so is the violence, why only focus on the former? Perhaps it has less to do with a concern for women and more to do with denying the reality of women’s existence as victims of real sexual violence. And, unlike real women, actresses can choose to say no, as evidenced in the article. Finally, I watch this series, and I actually wish there was less sex and violence because it’s a great show and I’d like my son to see it. But I watch it in spite of this, not because of it as I’m sure millions of other viewers do. And it doesn’t lead me to lust after any of the characters or actors because I’m committed to my marriage and simply seeing a few moments of sex in a show doesn’t change that.

    • The author chose the sexualized aspect of the show for the focus of the post but because he is ignoring nor condoning the violence. It simply wasn’t his focus.

    • Obviously as the author of this piece. I would expect you to have watched the show to judge its content.
      As a fan of the series, the nudity depicted is in context with the storylines.
      It portrays the elite class as oversexualised and brutal. Absolutely in line with characteristics of their lives. Most, well nearly all nudity was in the brothel in the first couple of series. This also showed up the false virtues of the characters who frequented these places and helped blur the lines of who really is a good guy.
      Look at our elite and ploiticians of today and their scandalous ways and this so called porno isnt that far from reality now. By all means bury ones head in the sand and deny that humans are ever guilty of sex and brutality . Curiosity is the human trait that makes shows like GOT popular, for even if set in a fantasy world, the general public are still fascinated by the vulgar lives of those who are deemed above us in class based society.

    • Most episodes have absolutely no sex in it. When they do have sex it is a quick glimpse or insinuated. You see breasts, yes…. so what. I see them every single day. Half the planet has them. They’re NOT scary.

      Don’t pretend you know what Game of Thrones is. Because you don’t.

    • It’s the decline of society. I am no strong Christian. I have my weaknesses and I fall for sin, but I point out to my friends (who disagree every time) that this society is degrading and has been since 100 years ago. We are little by little leaving God behind and fulfilling our own desires.

  2. Well said; and honestly, very little (if any) content produced in the last 20-30 years (sometimes further back than that) or so is watchable. Just because something doesn’t contain porn or “soft” porn doesn’t clear it for viewing for the believer.

  3. Great article! In fact it is one if not the best in my opinion that has been posted at covenant eyes. We need a lot more voices like yours. Very straight forward and not scared to speak the truth. Keep up the great work!!

  4. You don’t get porn and human dignity; you get porn or human dignity.

    False. I cannot think of any good reason to believe that porn itself strips anyone of their dignity. Slavery does. If anyone is acting in porn against their will, that is what robs them of dignity, not the fact that it’s porn.

    • Do yourself a favour and find a memo of a person who’s managed to get out of the porn industry. Or better yet, read some of the studies that study human trafficking and porn. Porn = slavery. None of them do it for fun. Most of them “chose” to do it out of sheer desperation. His point stands.

    • Hi Mark, two things I believe… One is that God designed sex to be within marriage only because that’s the only place a person’s full humanity can be supported. It’s the only place where the vulnerability, trust and commitment exist to support the potency of sex. Meaning that a person is more than just their external appearance. A person is made up of flaws, their personality, quirks, strengths, weaknesses, fears, hopes, etc. Those are the things that make a person human. So when we engage in sex based on external appearance only, it dehumanizes. Sex was designed by God to be a “one flesh” experience, which encompasses all of those things, not just external body parts. Second, “acting in porn against their will” isn’t the only thing that creates a dehumanizing situation. Just because a woman chooses to act in porn for whatever reason, it only means she too is buying into Satan’s lie. There are plenty of women who think their only value is in their physical appearance or who don’t care about the “one flesh” union for sex that God designed. But when we as men lust over them, even if they want us to, we are still reinforcing and perpetuating the lie that they believe about themselves.

  5. Great article! Just wanted to point one thing out: Your quote from Matt 5:28 is incorrect. Jesus isn’t talking about just “thinking about having sex with someone who isn’t your spouse.” He refers to lusting, which is to sexually objectify someone in your mind, removing their dignity. You can even lust after the person you’re married to, by thinking of him/her as a sexual object.

    • good point James. I don’t think what I said is incorrect–as I think what Jesus taught certainly encompasses that thinking about having sex with someone who isn’t your spouse is included in his command, which I know you’d agree with. That’s what fits into the point I was trying to make in this article about what happens when we lust outside of marriage. But true for you to point out that lust does in fact go deeper than this. We certainly can objectify our own spouses. In the book I wrote that I’m currently seeking publishing for, I have a whole chapter on that actually, because I saw that trend in my own life and marriage– so I definitely appreciate you bringing it up. But I didn’t feel it was necessary to add that in to the article for the point I wanted to make. Hope that makes sense.

    • It always confuses me when people say we can objectify/lust after our spouses. I don’t quite understand how sexual desire for our spouse and wanting to be with them physically is different than ‘lust’. Is it because they are our spouse, we are we love the whole person and want to be with them because of that? Is that what makes it different from ‘lust’? I mean, I love my husband and I want to have sex with him. I DO think of his body in a sexual way and want him when we are apart. I mean, Song of Solomon is all about admiring and enjoying each other’s bodies. I certainly don’t think that is objectifying him, even though during those times all I am thinking about is his body. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

    • @Shea – it’s a really tough area to distinguish the difference. I agree that Song of Solomon is even erotic in nature – the lovers have a strong longing for each other in every way. I remember having this conversation recently with a group of adults at our church, and we were all over the board! Something I read recently pointed towards lust = use and love = oneness. That our bodies are not meant to be used, but loved. Is it possible to long for a spouse, including his/her body and be focused on the oneness that it brings to be with him/her sexually? Probably. I’m not going to pretend to be the “lust police”. But, if my longing for my wife is constantly due to what I need and simply using her to satisfy my urge, then I’ve probably moved into the lust/use arena. I don’t know that I’ve answered any questions, but simply just wanted to offer some food for thought.

      Peace, Chris
      -Covenant Eyes

    • Hi Izzi, no I wouldn’t make a blanket statement like that. I think every sex scene that has female nudity in it (topless) is porn to almost every man out there. But sure there is some grey area. There are lots of times when a scene goes to sex but the scene ends or cuts to the morning and nothing is shown. Some of it is the discernment of the watcher. I won’t watch shows where a woman is vocalizing an orgasm, even if there is nothing visual on display. This is because I know that causes me to struggle, so if that pops up in a show, I just turn it off and won’t watch that show again. A lot of Netflix and Amazon Prime shows are notorious for that. That’s a personal discernment decision I make, not a rule for everyone to follow. Though I will say most people, or at least speaking for men because that’s who I’ve talked to the most about this topic, are not honest with themselves about what gets them going sexually. I won’t watch most network television sitcoms because of the casual sex everywhere. Nothing is shown obviously, it’s network TV. But casual sex was a big temptation for me, as in “the world got it right, you and this monogamy thing got it wrong.” I found there was any easy way to keep these messages out of my head and it was to simply not watch. I can confidently say I haven’t missed out on anything.

    • Yep, I would….what does it conjure up in one’s head? I really have no idea why films put sex scenes….what’s the point? If one’s answer is “they are just portraying life? then why are we not seeing more people using the restroom? keep the sex out and get on with the story….good grief.

  6. I was with you until you started blaming only women for porn on TV.

    “Being naked on screen is what made Clarke famous and is much of the reason why the show is so popular. It’s very double-minded.

    If you want to get to the truth of how things are really perceived, you need to look no further than the wonderful world of website comments. One such comment in the Emilia Clarke article said, “We don’t watch you for your acting, love.” This is what’s really happening when these Hollywood actresses think they are being artistic on-screen with their bodies.”

    Yes, they chose to take the acting job. So did the men who act in the scene and the men who write, produce and direct this stuff.

    • Hi Theresa, I’m not sure where you are drawing the conclusion that I blamed only women for the porn on TV. The quote you quoted from me does not say that. That quote is showing the a naked woman’s body is one of the reasons the show is so popular. The show is not popular because of naked men’s bodies. I believe this is true as a general rule in all of Hollywood, but is especially true of Game of Thrones as it is primarily marketed to men (i.e. battles, dragons, fantasy). I’m not saying some women don’t like those things too, but the trend leans toward men. That is not at all the same thing as blaming women for porn on TV. If I said that, I’d own up to it and correct myself. But the way you put words in my mouth isn’t very respectful or helpful.

    • I agree with Noah…

      It takes two, but the naked female body is the draw and push. I saw a food commercial for a hamburger, and man was it sensual…and embarrassing. Who was eating the hamburger in a sexually charged way “a woman.” I’m not blaming the woman….but they are what is used. Why was not a man used….because it’s not appealing as a woman would be. My wife and I stopped eating at that establishment after we saw the commercial.

      I don’t have HBO and have never seen Game of Thrones….thanks for the insight Noah, now I’m sure to stay away from that one.

      Go get’em Noah!

  7. I asked a priest friend once if it was ok to watch a movie with nudity in it (If I remember the conversation correctly) and he said that it depends on what your motivation for watching the movie is. I think we can try to recognize that there may be good aspects to movies even if there is nudity in them. This is a little bit of a hyperbole, but you wouldn’t fault a missionary to a tribe of natives for seeing naked or mostly naked people, probably because their hearts are in the right place. I would be interested in what other people think about this.

    • Hi Ben, I agree that there are definitely good aspects to movies even if there is nudity in them, but that doesn’t give us license to watch the nudity. That’s actually a major way to rationalize the consumption of these lustful images. Do I miss out on a lot of artistic and even redemptive movies because I won’t watch movies or shows with female nudity in them? Sure. But is it worth it? Of course it is. I’m really not missing out on much. (A friend had the movie Crash on CleanFlicks and loaned it to me. CleanFlicks takes all the nudity out of a movie — a really great resource, though a bit expensive unless it’s a movie you really really want to see. And I just googled it to see if it’s still around, it’s not, but some of the movies might be. Not endorsing them, just trying to provide an example that worked). I don’t think our motivation can be the answer because the porn is still there. It goes back to the analogy of my article. If your son was watching some porn but insisted there were good aspects to it, like in the plot, there’s no way you’d let him off the hook with that answer. As a guy, we are going to enjoy those images no matter how much we try to convince ourselves otherwise or somehow tell ourselves the good outweighs the bad. Not if that bad is stuck in your brain, which you know it will be. As for the missionary analogy… nudity and sexual nudity are two very different things. For example, there is lots of nudity in Schindler’s List, but for the most part no one is going to be lusting over that. The same would be true of nudity for a missionary in an African tribe. The context is entirely different in that it’s not being presented as sexual at all. There might be some who shouldn’t put themselves in that environment, but a rule shouldn’t be drawn against it. Whereas Game of Thrones and 99% of Hollywood movies and shows with female nudity in them are very intentionally presenting them to be seen as sexual. It’s really apples and oranges. Does that make sense?

  8. I saw the first episode of Game of Thrones, and it was a most horrible experience. Having experienced rape, to see a rape scene – of all things – clearly being abused as an excuse to show nudity to attract male viewers, was so disgusting to me, I quit watching right then and there. Not to mention the incestuous scene, where the woman is supposed to be a minor too. I wonder how people can justify watching any such thing for any reason. Game of Thrones is more than just porn, in fact, the plot and the general acceptance of people watching it makes it much worse than the average porn.

    • Thank you for this comment, Isobella. I’m not a rape survivor, nor do I share the perspective of either this article or most of the others commenting here, but I do not watch Game of Thrones for exactly the reason you offer here. The presentation of rape as a consumable intended to sexually excite an audience is reprehensible. Science fiction and fantasy is my favorite literary and television/flim genre, and as such, many people question why I don’t watch GoT. The way it uses rape as a plot device is the first reason I articulate when I explain why; the violent treatment of women (a woman and her newborn child are literally eaten by dogs) is another. It was heartening to see this perspective from a community that many on my side of the political aisle perceive as largely indifferent to rape (or who see it as consequences of women’s behavior rather than rooted in rage/control issues).

    • I refuse to pay to watch a movie that I know has nudity in it (Every once and awhile I rent a movie unaware of a scene in it). If there is a movie I am wanting to watch, but know has a scene I would need to.skip, I wait until I can get it for free/in a way that the money is not getting back to the manufacturer (at a second-hand store, for example). That way I am not vicariously paying for sex.

      I do the same thing with most things though. I buy my clothes second-hand so I can support charities instead of child labor. I buy my coffee from a local roaster I know personally. Etc. Imho, if you are paying for something that is produced unethically, you are supporting that.

  9. Gah, Noah, I have been saying this very thing about GOT since it became popular–not having seen a single episode. Thank you for putting my words onto the Internet so eloquently and with such wisdom.

  10. Great article, Noah. It hits home in so many ways. As someone who struggled with (and am in some ways still fighting against) pornography for many years, there is nothing more frustrating and depressing that finding an “artistically brilliant” movie/TV show laced with gratuitous sexual content. The rash of “adult” superhero content is a particularly recent example that I, as a big sci-fi / comic fan, find very disheartening. Your words, however, are definitely encouraging to hear as they remind me what all I am gaining (or rather, not losing) by sticking with my commitment to purity.

    I was also very interested in your comment about Schindler’s List. There are several scenes in 12 Years a Slave that I believe were intended to have a non-sexual nudity, but it ironically also had very sexual scenes that didn’t show any nudity. As a whole, the sex-related scenes came across to me as huge distraction instead adding to the art and realism of the movie, which is a real shame because the movie could have had a more powerful effect if they had just left it out. After watching the movie, instead of thinking about the plight of the slaves, I had to vigorously work to clear my mind of the sex/nudity in the film. And if I’m struggling with it, then surely other viewers had to be having the same struggle as well.

    In contrast, we know that Jesus was likely completely nude when He was crucified. However, in the Passion of the Christ and most other films of Jesus’ life, this particular aspect is not shown because film makers know that showing him stripped to a loin clothe has a very similar effect, and that Jesus being nude is not the whole point of the story. They know that if people saw an actor in full nudity that the viewers would think of only that and not the message of the movie. This concept carries over to films on other topics as well. Movie makers who claim to be adding nudity for its art are only lying to themselves and their audiences. The nudity is there for their own misplaced pleasure and their wallets, nothing else.

    • Such a perfect illustration of what is being talked about! I would have been horrified if Passion would have had a completely naked Jesus, so I should be equally horrified by other nude scenes because at the end of the day, they are just an unnecessary distraction at best.

  11. Thank you for giving this subject a voice. Not just any voice, but an honest, straight-forward, smart voice that I truly hope will challenge many readers. Reading through your comment responses, I really appreciate that you are willing to say there are some grey areas, but also don’t let us off the hook by subscribing to the theory that our motivation is what qualifies something as pornographic or not. I am glad you brought up the idea of being deceived because it is such a mark of our enemy–Satan–the great deceiver who loves to help us deceive ourselves. I hope you continue to write for Covenant Eyes, and I hope you find publication for your book!

  12. Warning!!!
    I am not a writer!!!
    Please excuse all the poor grammar and spelling errors!!

    We are all human and these images burn into our minds even if you have a glimpse of an image as you are whipping your eyes toward your lovely wife! I believe the arguments by some:
    “it does not bother me”
    “It doesn’t effect me”
    “I always look away”
    Just does not cut it!!!
    Unless we are at an extremely superior spiritual level that we only see the beauty of the human body that God created with absolutely no lustful temptations we should not risk or expose ourselves to this material because we are only human.
    I am human I get tempted like everyone else, so I choose to avoid a situation that could cause me to stumble.
    We will all have a moment of weakness that will tempt us to watch just a second longer or well it’s only 90% nudity not a 100% so it’s not as bad because the important parts where covered.
    Unfortunately the truth is it’s the “boiled frog syndrome”
    The more you expose your self to this material the less “bad” it will seem. As mentioned prior we are just fooling ourselves into thinking it’s ok.
    Another important issue to consider is that when you have millions of viewers watching a tv show full of inappropriate content ( even if you don’t approve of some of the content) it tells the producers that this program with all it’s content is a success. You are supporting the industry that is making it’s way into every Christian home (that allows it) with all it’s garbage and corruption.
    For some reason that glass screen between us and these pornographic scenes is different then going to a strip club with your wife on a date night to see the same thing live.
    I am confused when often having conversations with good people about watching and supporting this junk on tv, and they just say well it doesn’t bother us but they are passionately against going to a strip club or to a nude beach where you will be exposed to the same thing.
    Why does this glass screen magically make this corrupting and damaging material ok?
    There are movies and TV shows that are available for entertainment that don’t have nudity or sexual content in it. So if I miss out on a movie or show that millions of people want to expose themselves to with explicit sexual content then so be it. I can live my life being one of the few who will not stand in the Fad circle discussing “Deadpool” and “Game of Thrones” so why can’t at least those who are Christian do the same?
    Let all the Christians make a statement and stop supporting these tv shows and movies by Not purchasing, and not watching these programs.
    If you have read up to this point thank you for putting up with unorganized rambling. I am know finished!!

    • I am not even christian but i agree with you absolutely. I felt peer pressured at one point to watch game of thrones but the the truth is this article has strengthened my convictions that its not worth watchinga nd its just lude.

  13. Thank you so much for your article. I love the deceiving ourselves points you made. We are so good at rationalizing! My response to Mark’s comment on slavery/human dignity. Slavery starts here. Porn is an addictive behavior and like drugs or alcohol you will continue to search for the next ‘high’. Then the last ‘high’ gets old and you start looking for a stronger ‘drug’ and pretty soon you’re trapped. Porn is slavery: to Satan. Satan is lying to you if you think it doesn’t hurt anyone and can be considered appreciation. He is doing everything he can to take our eyes off God and depend on anything other than God to find our joy. Only God can give us that ‘high’. And I can say as a recovering addict, even as a willing participant in the act you are scarred for life abd become a slave yo Satan’s lies of shame, insecurity, and failure. God is the ONLY source of joy and recovery.

  14. So from this perspective I guess I shouldn’t watch braveheart because there is a scene when his wife is topless. And if you just downloaded that scene it would be like softcore porn. I guess really I should probably not read the Bible. Because it depicts sex at times and if we were to just look at some of the verses about sex the could be seen as erotic writing. Or maybe I can still read the books of the bible that don’t have sex in them.

    • George, your the comment about the Bible, in my opinion, is misguided. Since God created sex and is THE ultimate expert and authority on it, He has every right to write to us about it. The Bible not only reveals the beauty, oneness & delight of sex enjoyed by a married couple (Song of Solomon), gives instruction, encouragement & warnings about it, but also is very straightforward in describing several instances of sexual sin and the destruction & painful consequences suffered by those who chose to go out of God’s boundaries. These things are written to help us, not to entertain or tempt us. If reading God’s words to humanity regarding sex causes you to stumble, maybe you should avoid those areas of the Bible. Most Christian parents use discretion when reading the Bible to their young children as it is not a G-rated book. It wasn’t written to be aired on the Disney channel, but to instruct us in messy, real life issues common to our sinful natures & fallen world. Just as we wouldn’t read all the gore and violence in the newspaper, though it be true, to little children, not all parts of the Bible are appropriate for immature audiences. It tells it like it is, in a brutally honest & instructive way, but that does not make it “dirty”. It is quite different than slipping a sexy topless scene into an otherwise decent movie. As my kids have said to me, “If someone made you a pan of delicious looking brownies, and informed you that there’s just half a cup of dog poop in them, but most of the ingredients are good things, would you still eat them?” What we feed our minds & hearts is even more important than what we feed our bodies, because the ramifications can impact us for eternity.

    • George, there is a distinction in genre between the Bible and GOT that is directly correlated to content. The descriptipn of the rape of Tamar (2 Samuel) is vastly different than a visual portrayal via the medium of television.

      In both instances, however, the depravity of man is quite evident, whether one is a Christian or not. Or, perhaps you are prepared to say that rape isn’t evil?

  15. Noah this is an excellent article & eye opening. It really hits me because GOT is one of my favorite shows. I didnt start watching it until last year in season 3 or 4 I think, so I bought the 1st four seasons last fall & binged on them. I must admit even as a man the rape scenes make me fill uncomfortable, & I recognize that the show down plays the effects & gravity of that scene later in the story line as those two characters end up falling in love, send a sick message saying, yea he did that to her but they fell in love. But I said all of this to say that I did not think of any of this until just now while reading your article, so thank you.

  16. I’m glad someone said this. Yeah, it’ll make a bunch of people pissy. But it really is. For a long time I didn’t know what game of thrones was only that everyone was hyped about it. I finally went ahead and checked it out and found out pretty fast what the deal was. It’s pretty much True Blood only the sex is even worse than before. It’s sad that this is our future that more and more shows are going to go down this path.

    What makes game of thrones so popular has nothing to do with the story. It’s so popular because people can watch it and ‘love’ it to death and not be judged by it because it’s like totally not a porno yo~ But it is through and through. It’s depressing and just pathetic how easily people are swayed by their never ending need for sex these days.

  17. I wanted to thank you for writing this article. As a woman, I have been very uncomfortable with any talk of Game of Thrones around me. At work, discussion of this weekly porn binge has become water cooler conversation. Pornography hurts all people, all women (maybe) most of all. I feel very very demeaned by my co workers acknowledgement of their viewing habits, I feel sullied just hearing that they watch this. And I feel that they have no respect for me due to the fact that they will admit it in front of me. If I express even a small sentiment like this, I am regarded as a puritanical nutcase. So, thank you for so eloquently expressing what I believe and feel and know to be true. It is a great moral relief to know that I am not alone.

  18. Thank you for writing this. I have sworn never to watch GoT exactly because of its irredeemable porn content. It also advocates normalizing prostitution, which has fearful implications for the disintegration of the family and sex trafficking.

    It is ironic that I ran across this article when I did as I am writing my own novel wherein a couple are dealing with the opportunity to get away with having sex if they so choose. It would be so easy to give in. The world would (and one of my beta readers has) called them prudish. It would be expected for them to simply do it. But at what cost?

  19. I know this community isn’t exactly for me, but I’m a heathen and avoid Game of Thrones largely because I don’t like violence. Seeing human life and suffering cheapened is the fastest way to ruin my day and rob me of my peace.

    That said, I have a slightly different relationship to pornography to y’all. I don’t think it’s pornography that robs people of human dignity, it’s pornographers. People who engage in producing “pornography” because they find it gratifying or exciting is very different(to me, I respect this is your space and you probably have a different standard) from people using sex and sexuality to make money.
    One is predatory, and one simply isn’t. It’s money that darkens sex. HBO, is dabbling with, I guess the world would by pornographery in GOT and it’s just not for me.

    I hope my perspective is welcome here, I thought it was a very interesting conversation and I hope I’m able to participate.

    • Hi, Matthew, thank you for joining the conversation in a respectful manner. I really appreciate the ability to discuss with those who have different view points but can converse respectfully. HATS OFF TO YOU!!

      I find this to be looked at very differently by men and women. Some of that is, I believe, a God-created difference between men and women and their thought processes. My contribution will be from the female point of view. :)

      First, I have never watched this show, and in fact have heard very little about it. I am an outdoors person who also works in a million different places doing bookwork/payroll, managing people, volunteering at an animal shelter, tutoring, etc., so I don’t have a lot of water cooler time. I am not a fan of TV in general just because I find most of it to produces mental shut downs as opposed to anything helpful.

      But sex is a very powerful, powerful thing. Men have killed because another slept with someone they loved. Marriages have ended in divorce, or even violence, solely because of sex and all that is connected to it, emotionally, mentally, physically.. Men throughout history have taken it simply because they wanted it with not a single care for the results to the woman. Please, do not take this wrongly. I do not hate men, and I do not think all men are pigs. But some definitely are. Guys themselves say that often.

      I see your point that money makes a big difference, and I think to a degree you are right. But I don’t think that is the only difference. Do you? It must be much more than money alone that has the ability to make so many women feel degraded and and so many men believe a connection that can bring them incredible pleasure and thoughts is not worth knowing even the name of the that which was used to give them pleasure. There is no care of how one-time actions may and indeed often do have adverse consequences to the woman. I do wish this conversation could be face to face in a group setting as then you could hear the true inquiry in my tone and the total lack of accusation, etc.

      Again, thank you for the respectful discussion. I think it is an interesting attempt to an ages-old debate. Your participation is truly appreciated.

  20. Thank “God” you guys, the fanatic believers of religions, don’t rule over the world so that the rest of us are safe from your nonsense and non-logical thinking.
    By making the sex scenes in the show more relevant than they actually are -the show isn’t anywhere near to be about sex- you are the one giving it more importance than it has, not the makers of the show, less the viewers. Following this kind of logic, a simple joke could easily lead to the conviction of someone, all justified by the beliefs one could have, which in the case of fanatic religious people would be their god. (Look at Charlie Hebdo, the kind of thing that happens when one’s actions feel justified). Are you that obsessed about sex that you are making it bigger than it is in the show? As a one last thing, I’d say that human dignity and religion are far from going together.
    Have a good day!

  21. I agree with the premise that Game of Thrones is basically pornography.

    I read the entire article, and would suggest that characterizing unbelievers as “double-minded” isn’t in tune with Scripture. The pagan, unregenerate minds of men are unilaterally at enmity with God. Such minds are under a deception.
    Conversely, Scripture does not (to my knowledge) characterize the Christian mind as deceived, but it does refer to double-mindedness in believers.
    It seems to me that Psychology has done more to inform the article and the argument than Scripture. I think the author and publisher could do better….

    • Hello, Ron – thank you, I believe you are correct. Your clarification on what James seems to be saying with his use of the word in Scripture does seem to align with your comment.

      Best, Chris

  22. First, let me redefine pornography for you. This is the MIller Test created by the Supreme Court to define whether something is “Obscene” or pornographic.
    Miller Test
    Supreme Court test for determining whether material is obscene
    To the average person, applying contemporary community standards as established by the relevant state, the work, taken as a whole (not just isolated passages), appeals to the prurient (sexual) interest;
    The work depicts in an offensive way sexual conduct specifically defined by the state law
    The work lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.

    Note, if the work is a serious work of art, in this case film (and literature since it started as a book) it cannot be considered obscene or pornographic. Also note the point of the work taken as a whole, not just isolated passages (or scenes) which is what this pastor is doing…cherry picking scenes and calling the whole work porn.

    Now, why is this dangerous? Well, first, we don’t want art to be banned or regulated to the degree that obscene or pornographic material is. You can regulate the audience, by giving it a rating or warnings as HBO does, but you can’t ban it.

    Why else is this dangerous? Because real porn, especially porn movies involve people who are often the victims of sexual trafficking, drug addicts, and even single moms. Many of these people get involved in this industry because they are not free to make the choice either because they are literally a slave, or because of circumstances. Linda Lovelace, who starred in Deep Throat, claimed she was forced to participate in that film. If she was, we are watching her real rape over and over again and that is horrifying. Additionally, though, even if she wasn’t forced at gunpoint, the circumstances for many of these women who were victims of sexual molestation and rape at an early age, means that much of their free will has been taken, and so we are still watching them be victimized when we watch porn.

    Game of Thrones Actresses are not being forced into these scenes. They are not actually engaging in sex, although sex is being simulated and they are naked. But they have agency. And, again, the scenes are isolated from the whole. The portrayal of these acts is less to sell sex (although I’m sure that is a part of it) but to show an accurate portrayal of women in this “time period”. So if we lump Game of Thrones in with “porn” we fail to note these important distinctions.

    So, what should we say. We can either say I prefer not to watch a movie or series with that much sex, nudity, profanity, and/or graphic violence because I find these things distasteful or offensive, or we can watch them. But we cannot and should not make claims about them that are untrue. The show is not porn. To say it is is being both dishonest and disrespectful to the real women “forced” to be a part of the real sex industry that is pornography and prostitution.

  23. I agree, Have you read Romans 3:23? We are all totally depraved and your condescending self-righteous pseudo-intellectualism is the symptom of yours, friend. Have a nice day!

  24. Hi all.

    Thank you, Noah, for this article. I admire your ability to defend your case with reason but gentleness, and in total conviction with what you believe. I just want to leave one addition to this conversation. Women, too, struggle with porn. I recognize that there is not enough research to understand how it affects our brains compared to men’s, but it is a fact that I can attest to personally. I aim to not lust over a man’s body that is portrayed on screen, just as you explain that you aim to stay away from a scene in media that would tempt you to do the same with a woman’s body. I say this because I’m sure there are men out there who have felt that their only worth was in their appearance, or that filming pornongraphy reduced them to a buff money-maker. This is only my gut feeling, I don’t have any to support that statement. I say this because I strongly believe that just as much as there needs to be a revolution in the porn culture for men who view, there’s also a great need for a revolution among women who view. And I believe that Jesus offers ample grace for us all.

    Thank you, again, for speaking with honesty and the truth of the Gospel into this issue. I hope I didn’t come across as criticizing, I only want to further support your article and ministry. Keep doing what you’re doing, I know that God is revealing his grace to porn addicts, because he did so to me.

    With love,
    One girl among many

  25. Yes and no. If your delight is waiting for a sex scene, your time would be better spent watching a million other things. You have to watch a LOT of GoT to come upon a sex scene. I’ve watched 6 seasons and I can remember four sex scenes and one suggested. So crucify me but as a woman, whenever these are on, I feel like I’m peeping into somebody’s bedroom window and like a little kid, I cover my eyes, wait for it to be over and curse the producers for putting that crap in there. It’s such a great story that every one of those scenes is SO unnecessary!! Nobody REALLY watches it for the story line??????? PUH LEEZ!! DRAGONS for crying out loud!! Deceit and revenge and secrets and bad guys who are gonna get their comeuppance…mysteries to be solved…what is Sam going to find living with the masters? When is someone going to remember that there’s a whole stash of dragonglass North of the wall? Who and what is this ‘god’ of the lady in red?? Who’s going to ride the 3 dragons since they will probably be a major weapon against the white walkers? My money is on Daenery, of course, and Tyrion since he sat down and cried when he was a child when he learned that the dragons were all dead, and, I suppose Bran’s younger brother because Bran will be all incorporated into the white trees, I think. Mostly a male audience waiting for a glimpse of Daenery’s naked top? Geez…there’s enough going on the world (in the church) to rail against without TRYING to swim upstream in so called righteousness.

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