The hit HBO series Game of Thrones has won 26 Primetime Emmy Awards, including Outstanding Drama Series in 2015, and has 18.6 million people watching each episode, an HBO record. That’s roughly the same population as America’s third most populated state, New York. That’s a lot of people. That’s a lot of cultural influence.
What draws people to Game of Thrones? Certainly the artistry, the plot, the characters, the intrigue, the battles, the dragons, and, of course, the excessive and gratuitous nude sex scenes (including a graphic, lengthy rape scene that made news earlier this year).
Much like the Fifty Shades of Grey book and movie phenomenon, it brings up the age old question, “When it comes to sex and nudity, where is the line drawn between art and pornography?”
Porn or Art: Where is the line?
What makes a porno movie a “porno” and what makes Game of Thrones a record-shattering, Emmy-winning icon of popular culture? They both have plots. They both have lots of sex. I suppose the difference is Game of Thrones has more plot to it than it does sex, so it’s considered a drama and not a porno, whereas a porno has more sex than plot. And I suppose one would say the purpose of Game of Thrones is art, while the purpose of a porno is sex. Though that’s a very subjective statement that many in the porn industry would refute, at the end of the day, both purposes are money, but that’s another story.
Would the population of the entire state of New York openly admit to watching pornos, loving pornos, discussing pornos at the water cooler at work and discussing the plots of their pornos on their Facebook feeds? Obviously not.
At the end of the day, what is porn? Do you just know it when you see it? If so, what is it you are seeing when you know it? For my personal thought life, I’d argue that the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition is porn. For most, if they found that their kids were looking up online videos or photos of naked people having sex (whether acting or actually having it) and/or photos of naked women where they know their kid’s mind is doing the rest, they’d call it porn.
If someone cropped out one of the graphic sex scenes from Game of Thrones and put that single scene online, by itself apart from any of the plot and intrigue, and your teenage son downloaded it, would you call it porn? Yes, you would.
So why is it that when we dress these scenes up with HBO glitz and glamour that all of a sudden they are socially acceptable? Is it because we actually love porn, but don’t want to admit that publicly? We don’t want to surf the dirty websites, but if we can get our porn via HBO (all on Netflix and/or Amazon Prime now, by the way), it’s like having our cake and eating it too. Porn without the social stigma. Porn that your spouse actually lets you watch. Porn you can rationalize.
How We Deceive Ourselves
We are really good at deceiving ourselves and typically jump at any opportunity to do so. What’s so sad and ironic about Game of Thrones is that even though the actresses are much better paid, Emmy-awarded and more famous than the women in “pornos,” they are still just human beings and the emotional effect on them is the same. Most of them will never admit this, but the truth remains.
What’s so ironic and sad is that every once in a while, one of these A-list actresses does admit the disgust she feels about being in these sex scenes, but our culture’s insatiable addiction to porn and entertainment are always too much to consider changing how sex is portrayed.
Earlier this year, GQ and Esquire Magazine’s 2015 “Sexiest Woman Alive” Emilia Clarke made news when she told the Daily Mail she “can’t stand” the sex scenes she’s in on Game of Thrones.
The Daily Mail article by Sebastian Shakespeare reports, “Emilia, who plays the exiled princess Daenerys Targaryen, refused to appear in any more topless shots in the drama two years ago, according to her co-star Oona Chaplin, who disclosed that Emilia had told program bosses she ‘wanted to be known for my acting, not my breasts.’”
There’s obviously a lot of hypocrisy by Ms. Clarke in these quotes. I don’t use the “h-word” as a personal judgment toward Clarke but to again bring out the point that our entire culture wants the best of both worlds when it comes to sex. Being naked on screen is what made Clarke famous and is much of the reason why the show is so popular. It’s very double-minded.
If you want to get to the truth of how things are really perceived, you need to look no further than the wonderful world of website comments. One such comment in the Emilia Clarke article said, “We don’t watch you for your acting, love.” This is what’s really happening when these Hollywood actresses think they are being artistic on-screen with their bodies.
What they are really doing is creating a sexual bond with millions of men, just like Genesis 2:24 and 1 Corinthians 6:16 tell us takes place during sex: “The two will become one flesh.” In Matthew 5:28, Jesus tells us that to think about having sex with someone who isn’t your spouse is the same on the heart-level as actually doing it, so we shouldn’t be surprised by such responses.
Like a one-night stand, you have millions of men only interested in Clarke for her body. The announcement by Clarke that she will no longer be exposing hers is the same as the one-night stand being over. You can dress these episodes up with as much “art” as you want, but they are always going to just be a naked body to most of the men watching them.
Porn or Human Dignity
And if you think you can somehow filter out the porn and only take in the art, you are deceived and double-minded as well. Porn does what porn does: as soon as it enters the scene, it removes all dignity and humanity. All that is left is body parts and the consuming of other humans. You can’t keep someone’s dignity once you have already devoured it.
You don’t get porn and human dignity; you get porn or human dignity.
Choose wisely.
I would add, that virtually all of today’s viewing is laced with porn, including most commercials. We cut the cord a long time ago. We now use a ROKU to stream many free and wonderful channels – especially the tremendous Genesis Science Network..
Very well written and truthful. It bothers me a great deal that so many “Christians” are watching Game of Thrones and advertising that they do so on Facebook. I have taken them to task but they desire the gratification of their flesh more than obedience and holiness.
I’m really disturbed that this pastor says nothing about the appalling amount of violence in the show. Americans love their violence more than their porn and it shows in our culture. This show has not been sanitized, and while there are some consensual sex scenes, most involve rape and prostitution, because women were and continue to be victims of rape and prostitution, all of which has been occurring prior to the advent of the porn industry. If the sex is realistic to the period and graphic and so is the violence, why only focus on the former? Perhaps it has less to do with a concern for women and more to do with denying the reality of women’s existence as victims of real sexual violence. And, unlike real women, actresses can choose to say no, as evidenced in the article. Finally, I watch this series, and I actually wish there was less sex and violence because it’s a great show and I’d like my son to see it. But I watch it in spite of this, not because of it as I’m sure millions of other viewers do. And it doesn’t lead me to lust after any of the characters or actors because I’m committed to my marriage and simply seeing a few moments of sex in a show doesn’t change that.
The author chose the sexualized aspect of the show for the focus of the post but because he is ignoring nor condoning the violence. It simply wasn’t his focus.
Obviously as the author of this piece. I would expect you to have watched the show to judge its content.
As a fan of the series, the nudity depicted is in context with the storylines.
It portrays the elite class as oversexualised and brutal. Absolutely in line with characteristics of their lives. Most, well nearly all nudity was in the brothel in the first couple of series. This also showed up the false virtues of the characters who frequented these places and helped blur the lines of who really is a good guy.
Look at our elite and ploiticians of today and their scandalous ways and this so called porno isnt that far from reality now. By all means bury ones head in the sand and deny that humans are ever guilty of sex and brutality . Curiosity is the human trait that makes shows like GOT popular, for even if set in a fantasy world, the general public are still fascinated by the vulgar lives of those who are deemed above us in class based society.
Most episodes have absolutely no sex in it. When they do have sex it is a quick glimpse or insinuated. You see breasts, yes…. so what. I see them every single day. Half the planet has them. They’re NOT scary.
Don’t pretend you know what Game of Thrones is. Because you don’t.
It’s the decline of society. I am no strong Christian. I have my weaknesses and I fall for sin, but I point out to my friends (who disagree every time) that this society is degrading and has been since 100 years ago. We are little by little leaving God behind and fulfilling our own desires.
as a gay woman, i feel slightly excluded from this discussion. whenever i watch GOT, all i think about is Daenerys’ naked body as well. discuss
I agree… Everything is laced with porn nowadays…. Best choice is just not to watch any of it no matter how good the storyline is supposed be.
Be careful because Roku has tons of porn too.
Well said; and honestly, very little (if any) content produced in the last 20-30 years (sometimes further back than that) or so is watchable. Just because something doesn’t contain porn or “soft” porn doesn’t clear it for viewing for the believer.
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Great article! In fact it is one if not the best in my opinion that has been posted at covenant eyes. We need a lot more voices like yours. Very straight forward and not scared to speak the truth. Keep up the great work!!
Wow, thank you Tsauc. That is a wonderful encouragement. Praise God for his light shining in the darkness.
Well said, Noah! Well said..! (Clap…clap…clap…clap…)
thanks Xavier!
You don’t get porn and human dignity; you get porn or human dignity.
False. I cannot think of any good reason to believe that porn itself strips anyone of their dignity. Slavery does. If anyone is acting in porn against their will, that is what robs them of dignity, not the fact that it’s porn.
Do yourself a favour and find a memo of a person who’s managed to get out of the porn industry. Or better yet, read some of the studies that study human trafficking and porn. Porn = slavery. None of them do it for fun. Most of them “chose” to do it out of sheer desperation. His point stands.
Hi Mark, two things I believe… One is that God designed sex to be within marriage only because that’s the only place a person’s full humanity can be supported. It’s the only place where the vulnerability, trust and commitment exist to support the potency of sex. Meaning that a person is more than just their external appearance. A person is made up of flaws, their personality, quirks, strengths, weaknesses, fears, hopes, etc. Those are the things that make a person human. So when we engage in sex based on external appearance only, it dehumanizes. Sex was designed by God to be a “one flesh” experience, which encompasses all of those things, not just external body parts. Second, “acting in porn against their will” isn’t the only thing that creates a dehumanizing situation. Just because a woman chooses to act in porn for whatever reason, it only means she too is buying into Satan’s lie. There are plenty of women who think their only value is in their physical appearance or who don’t care about the “one flesh” union for sex that God designed. But when we as men lust over them, even if they want us to, we are still reinforcing and perpetuating the lie that they believe about themselves.
Great article! Just wanted to point one thing out: Your quote from Matt 5:28 is incorrect. Jesus isn’t talking about just “thinking about having sex with someone who isn’t your spouse.” He refers to lusting, which is to sexually objectify someone in your mind, removing their dignity. You can even lust after the person you’re married to, by thinking of him/her as a sexual object.
good point James. I don’t think what I said is incorrect–as I think what Jesus taught certainly encompasses that thinking about having sex with someone who isn’t your spouse is included in his command, which I know you’d agree with. That’s what fits into the point I was trying to make in this article about what happens when we lust outside of marriage. But true for you to point out that lust does in fact go deeper than this. We certainly can objectify our own spouses. In the book I wrote that I’m currently seeking publishing for, I have a whole chapter on that actually, because I saw that trend in my own life and marriage– so I definitely appreciate you bringing it up. But I didn’t feel it was necessary to add that in to the article for the point I wanted to make. Hope that makes sense.
It always confuses me when people say we can objectify/lust after our spouses. I don’t quite understand how sexual desire for our spouse and wanting to be with them physically is different than ‘lust’. Is it because they are our spouse, we are we love the whole person and want to be with them because of that? Is that what makes it different from ‘lust’? I mean, I love my husband and I want to have sex with him. I DO think of his body in a sexual way and want him when we are apart. I mean, Song of Solomon is all about admiring and enjoying each other’s bodies. I certainly don’t think that is objectifying him, even though during those times all I am thinking about is his body. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
@Shea – it’s a really tough area to distinguish the difference. I agree that Song of Solomon is even erotic in nature – the lovers have a strong longing for each other in every way. I remember having this conversation recently with a group of adults at our church, and we were all over the board! Something I read recently pointed towards lust = use and love = oneness. That our bodies are not meant to be used, but loved. Is it possible to long for a spouse, including his/her body and be focused on the oneness that it brings to be with him/her sexually? Probably. I’m not going to pretend to be the “lust police”. But, if my longing for my wife is constantly due to what I need and simply using her to satisfy my urge, then I’ve probably moved into the lust/use arena. I don’t know that I’ve answered any questions, but simply just wanted to offer some food for thought.
Peace, Chris
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Would you then say that every single movie and/or show that has a sex scene is porn?
Hi Izzi, no I wouldn’t make a blanket statement like that. I think every sex scene that has female nudity in it (topless) is porn to almost every man out there. But sure there is some grey area. There are lots of times when a scene goes to sex but the scene ends or cuts to the morning and nothing is shown. Some of it is the discernment of the watcher. I won’t watch shows where a woman is vocalizing an orgasm, even if there is nothing visual on display. This is because I know that causes me to struggle, so if that pops up in a show, I just turn it off and won’t watch that show again. A lot of Netflix and Amazon Prime shows are notorious for that. That’s a personal discernment decision I make, not a rule for everyone to follow. Though I will say most people, or at least speaking for men because that’s who I’ve talked to the most about this topic, are not honest with themselves about what gets them going sexually. I won’t watch most network television sitcoms because of the casual sex everywhere. Nothing is shown obviously, it’s network TV. But casual sex was a big temptation for me, as in “the world got it right, you and this monogamy thing got it wrong.” I found there was any easy way to keep these messages out of my head and it was to simply not watch. I can confidently say I haven’t missed out on anything.
Yep, I would….what does it conjure up in one’s head? I really have no idea why films put sex scenes….what’s the point? If one’s answer is “they are just portraying life? then why are we not seeing more people using the restroom? keep the sex out and get on with the story….good grief.
I was with you until you started blaming only women for porn on TV.
“Being naked on screen is what made Clarke famous and is much of the reason why the show is so popular. It’s very double-minded.
If you want to get to the truth of how things are really perceived, you need to look no further than the wonderful world of website comments. One such comment in the Emilia Clarke article said, “We don’t watch you for your acting, love.” This is what’s really happening when these Hollywood actresses think they are being artistic on-screen with their bodies.”
Yes, they chose to take the acting job. So did the men who act in the scene and the men who write, produce and direct this stuff.
Hi Theresa, I’m not sure where you are drawing the conclusion that I blamed only women for the porn on TV. The quote you quoted from me does not say that. That quote is showing the a naked woman’s body is one of the reasons the show is so popular. The show is not popular because of naked men’s bodies. I believe this is true as a general rule in all of Hollywood, but is especially true of Game of Thrones as it is primarily marketed to men (i.e. battles, dragons, fantasy). I’m not saying some women don’t like those things too, but the trend leans toward men. That is not at all the same thing as blaming women for porn on TV. If I said that, I’d own up to it and correct myself. But the way you put words in my mouth isn’t very respectful or helpful.
I agree with Noah…
It takes two, but the naked female body is the draw and push. I saw a food commercial for a hamburger, and man was it sensual…and embarrassing. Who was eating the hamburger in a sexually charged way “a woman.” I’m not blaming the woman….but they are what is used. Why was not a man used….because it’s not appealing as a woman would be. My wife and I stopped eating at that establishment after we saw the commercial.
I don’t have HBO and have never seen Game of Thrones….thanks for the insight Noah, now I’m sure to stay away from that one.
Go get’em Noah!
I asked a priest friend once if it was ok to watch a movie with nudity in it (If I remember the conversation correctly) and he said that it depends on what your motivation for watching the movie is. I think we can try to recognize that there may be good aspects to movies even if there is nudity in them. This is a little bit of a hyperbole, but you wouldn’t fault a missionary to a tribe of natives for seeing naked or mostly naked people, probably because their hearts are in the right place. I would be interested in what other people think about this.
Hi Ben, I agree that there are definitely good aspects to movies even if there is nudity in them, but that doesn’t give us license to watch the nudity. That’s actually a major way to rationalize the consumption of these lustful images. Do I miss out on a lot of artistic and even redemptive movies because I won’t watch movies or shows with female nudity in them? Sure. But is it worth it? Of course it is. I’m really not missing out on much. (A friend had the movie Crash on CleanFlicks and loaned it to me. CleanFlicks takes all the nudity out of a movie — a really great resource, though a bit expensive unless it’s a movie you really really want to see. And I just googled it to see if it’s still around, it’s not, but some of the movies might be. Not endorsing them, just trying to provide an example that worked). I don’t think our motivation can be the answer because the porn is still there. It goes back to the analogy of my article. If your son was watching some porn but insisted there were good aspects to it, like in the plot, there’s no way you’d let him off the hook with that answer. As a guy, we are going to enjoy those images no matter how much we try to convince ourselves otherwise or somehow tell ourselves the good outweighs the bad. Not if that bad is stuck in your brain, which you know it will be. As for the missionary analogy… nudity and sexual nudity are two very different things. For example, there is lots of nudity in Schindler’s List, but for the most part no one is going to be lusting over that. The same would be true of nudity for a missionary in an African tribe. The context is entirely different in that it’s not being presented as sexual at all. There might be some who shouldn’t put themselves in that environment, but a rule shouldn’t be drawn against it. Whereas Game of Thrones and 99% of Hollywood movies and shows with female nudity in them are very intentionally presenting them to be seen as sexual. It’s really apples and oranges. Does that make sense?
I saw the first episode of Game of Thrones, and it was a most horrible experience. Having experienced rape, to see a rape scene – of all things – clearly being abused as an excuse to show nudity to attract male viewers, was so disgusting to me, I quit watching right then and there. Not to mention the incestuous scene, where the woman is supposed to be a minor too. I wonder how people can justify watching any such thing for any reason. Game of Thrones is more than just porn, in fact, the plot and the general acceptance of people watching it makes it much worse than the average porn.
Thank you for this comment, Isobella. I’m not a rape survivor, nor do I share the perspective of either this article or most of the others commenting here, but I do not watch Game of Thrones for exactly the reason you offer here. The presentation of rape as a consumable intended to sexually excite an audience is reprehensible. Science fiction and fantasy is my favorite literary and television/flim genre, and as such, many people question why I don’t watch GoT. The way it uses rape as a plot device is the first reason I articulate when I explain why; the violent treatment of women (a woman and her newborn child are literally eaten by dogs) is another. It was heartening to see this perspective from a community that many on my side of the political aisle perceive as largely indifferent to rape (or who see it as consequences of women’s behavior rather than rooted in rage/control issues).
I refuse to pay to watch a movie that I know has nudity in it (Every once and awhile I rent a movie unaware of a scene in it). If there is a movie I am wanting to watch, but know has a scene I would need to.skip, I wait until I can get it for free/in a way that the money is not getting back to the manufacturer (at a second-hand store, for example). That way I am not vicariously paying for sex.
I do the same thing with most things though. I buy my clothes second-hand so I can support charities instead of child labor. I buy my coffee from a local roaster I know personally. Etc. Imho, if you are paying for something that is produced unethically, you are supporting that.
Gah, Noah, I have been saying this very thing about GOT since it became popular–not having seen a single episode. Thank you for putting my words onto the Internet so eloquently and with such wisdom.
Great article, Noah. It hits home in so many ways. As someone who struggled with (and am in some ways still fighting against) pornography for many years, there is nothing more frustrating and depressing that finding an “artistically brilliant” movie/TV show laced with gratuitous sexual content. The rash of “adult” superhero content is a particularly recent example that I, as a big sci-fi / comic fan, find very disheartening. Your words, however, are definitely encouraging to hear as they remind me what all I am gaining (or rather, not losing) by sticking with my commitment to purity.
I was also very interested in your comment about Schindler’s List. There are several scenes in 12 Years a Slave that I believe were intended to have a non-sexual nudity, but it ironically also had very sexual scenes that didn’t show any nudity. As a whole, the sex-related scenes came across to me as huge distraction instead adding to the art and realism of the movie, which is a real shame because the movie could have had a more powerful effect if they had just left it out. After watching the movie, instead of thinking about the plight of the slaves, I had to vigorously work to clear my mind of the sex/nudity in the film. And if I’m struggling with it, then surely other viewers had to be having the same struggle as well.
In contrast, we know that Jesus was likely completely nude when He was crucified. However, in the Passion of the Christ and most other films of Jesus’ life, this particular aspect is not shown because film makers know that showing him stripped to a loin clothe has a very similar effect, and that Jesus being nude is not the whole point of the story. They know that if people saw an actor in full nudity that the viewers would think of only that and not the message of the movie. This concept carries over to films on other topics as well. Movie makers who claim to be adding nudity for its art are only lying to themselves and their audiences. The nudity is there for their own misplaced pleasure and their wallets, nothing else.
Such a perfect illustration of what is being talked about! I would have been horrified if Passion would have had a completely naked Jesus, so I should be equally horrified by other nude scenes because at the end of the day, they are just an unnecessary distraction at best.
I appreciated what you expressed here.
Thank you for giving this subject a voice. Not just any voice, but an honest, straight-forward, smart voice that I truly hope will challenge many readers. Reading through your comment responses, I really appreciate that you are willing to say there are some grey areas, but also don’t let us off the hook by subscribing to the theory that our motivation is what qualifies something as pornographic or not. I am glad you brought up the idea of being deceived because it is such a mark of our enemy–Satan–the great deceiver who loves to help us deceive ourselves. I hope you continue to write for Covenant Eyes, and I hope you find publication for your book!
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I am not a writer!!!
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We are all human and these images burn into our minds even if you have a glimpse of an image as you are whipping your eyes toward your lovely wife! I believe the arguments by some:
“it does not bother me”
“It doesn’t effect me”
“I always look away”
Just does not cut it!!!
Unless we are at an extremely superior spiritual level that we only see the beauty of the human body that God created with absolutely no lustful temptations we should not risk or expose ourselves to this material because we are only human.
I am human I get tempted like everyone else, so I choose to avoid a situation that could cause me to stumble.
We will all have a moment of weakness that will tempt us to watch just a second longer or well it’s only 90% nudity not a 100% so it’s not as bad because the important parts where covered.
Unfortunately the truth is it’s the “boiled frog syndrome”
The more you expose your self to this material the less “bad” it will seem. As mentioned prior we are just fooling ourselves into thinking it’s ok.
Another important issue to consider is that when you have millions of viewers watching a tv show full of inappropriate content ( even if you don’t approve of some of the content) it tells the producers that this program with all it’s content is a success. You are supporting the industry that is making it’s way into every Christian home (that allows it) with all it’s garbage and corruption.
For some reason that glass screen between us and these pornographic scenes is different then going to a strip club with your wife on a date night to see the same thing live.
I am confused when often having conversations with good people about watching and supporting this junk on tv, and they just say well it doesn’t bother us but they are passionately against going to a strip club or to a nude beach where you will be exposed to the same thing.
Why does this glass screen magically make this corrupting and damaging material ok?
There are movies and TV shows that are available for entertainment that don’t have nudity or sexual content in it. So if I miss out on a movie or show that millions of people want to expose themselves to with explicit sexual content then so be it. I can live my life being one of the few who will not stand in the Fad circle discussing “Deadpool” and “Game of Thrones” so why can’t at least those who are Christian do the same?
Let all the Christians make a statement and stop supporting these tv shows and movies by Not purchasing, and not watching these programs.
If you have read up to this point thank you for putting up with unorganized rambling. I am know finished!!
I am not even christian but i agree with you absolutely. I felt peer pressured at one point to watch game of thrones but the the truth is this article has strengthened my convictions that its not worth watchinga nd its just lude.
Thank you so much for your article. I love the deceiving ourselves points you made. We are so good at rationalizing! My response to Mark’s comment on slavery/human dignity. Slavery starts here. Porn is an addictive behavior and like drugs or alcohol you will continue to search for the next ‘high’. Then the last ‘high’ gets old and you start looking for a stronger ‘drug’ and pretty soon you’re trapped. Porn is slavery: to Satan. Satan is lying to you if you think it doesn’t hurt anyone and can be considered appreciation. He is doing everything he can to take our eyes off God and depend on anything other than God to find our joy. Only God can give us that ‘high’. And I can say as a recovering addict, even as a willing participant in the act you are scarred for life abd become a slave yo Satan’s lies of shame, insecurity, and failure. God is the ONLY source of joy and recovery.
So from this perspective I guess I shouldn’t watch braveheart because there is a scene when his wife is topless. And if you just downloaded that scene it would be like softcore porn. I guess really I should probably not read the Bible. Because it depicts sex at times and if we were to just look at some of the verses about sex the could be seen as erotic writing. Or maybe I can still read the books of the bible that don’t have sex in them.
George, your the comment about the Bible, in my opinion, is misguided. Since God created sex and is THE ultimate expert and authority on it, He has every right to write to us about it. The Bible not only reveals the beauty, oneness & delight of sex enjoyed by a married couple (Song of Solomon), gives instruction, encouragement & warnings about it, but also is very straightforward in describing several instances of sexual sin and the destruction & painful consequences suffered by those who chose to go out of God’s boundaries. These things are written to help us, not to entertain or tempt us. If reading God’s words to humanity regarding sex causes you to stumble, maybe you should avoid those areas of the Bible. Most Christian parents use discretion when reading the Bible to their young children as it is not a G-rated book. It wasn’t written to be aired on the Disney channel, but to instruct us in messy, real life issues common to our sinful natures & fallen world. Just as we wouldn’t read all the gore and violence in the newspaper, though it be true, to little children, not all parts of the Bible are appropriate for immature audiences. It tells it like it is, in a brutally honest & instructive way, but that does not make it “dirty”. It is quite different than slipping a sexy topless scene into an otherwise decent movie. As my kids have said to me, “If someone made you a pan of delicious looking brownies, and informed you that there’s just half a cup of dog poop in them, but most of the ingredients are good things, would you still eat them?” What we feed our minds & hearts is even more important than what we feed our bodies, because the ramifications can impact us for eternity.
George, there is a distinction in genre between the Bible and GOT that is directly correlated to content. The descriptipn of the rape of Tamar (2 Samuel) is vastly different than a visual portrayal via the medium of television.
In both instances, however, the depravity of man is quite evident, whether one is a Christian or not. Or, perhaps you are prepared to say that rape isn’t evil?
Noah this is an excellent article & eye opening. It really hits me because GOT is one of my favorite shows. I didnt start watching it until last year in season 3 or 4 I think, so I bought the 1st four seasons last fall & binged on them. I must admit even as a man the rape scenes make me fill uncomfortable, & I recognize that the show down plays the effects & gravity of that scene later in the story line as those two characters end up falling in love, send a sick message saying, yea he did that to her but they fell in love. But I said all of this to say that I did not think of any of this until just now while reading your article, so thank you.
I’m glad someone said this. Yeah, it’ll make a bunch of people pissy. But it really is. For a long time I didn’t know what game of thrones was only that everyone was hyped about it. I finally went ahead and checked it out and found out pretty fast what the deal was. It’s pretty much True Blood only the sex is even worse than before. It’s sad that this is our future that more and more shows are going to go down this path.
What makes game of thrones so popular has nothing to do with the story. It’s so popular because people can watch it and ‘love’ it to death and not be judged by it because it’s like totally not a porno yo~ But it is through and through. It’s depressing and just pathetic how easily people are swayed by their never ending need for sex these days.
I wanted to thank you for writing this article. As a woman, I have been very uncomfortable with any talk of Game of Thrones around me. At work, discussion of this weekly porn binge has become water cooler conversation. Pornography hurts all people, all women (maybe) most of all. I feel very very demeaned by my co workers acknowledgement of their viewing habits, I feel sullied just hearing that they watch this. And I feel that they have no respect for me due to the fact that they will admit it in front of me. If I express even a small sentiment like this, I am regarded as a puritanical nutcase. So, thank you for so eloquently expressing what I believe and feel and know to be true. It is a great moral relief to know that I am not alone.
Thank you for writing this. I have sworn never to watch GoT exactly because of its irredeemable porn content. It also advocates normalizing prostitution, which has fearful implications for the disintegration of the family and sex trafficking.
It is ironic that I ran across this article when I did as I am writing my own novel wherein a couple are dealing with the opportunity to get away with having sex if they so choose. It would be so easy to give in. The world would (and one of my beta readers has) called them prudish. It would be expected for them to simply do it. But at what cost?
I know this community isn’t exactly for me, but I’m a heathen and avoid Game of Thrones largely because I don’t like violence. Seeing human life and suffering cheapened is the fastest way to ruin my day and rob me of my peace.
That said, I have a slightly different relationship to pornography to y’all. I don’t think it’s pornography that robs people of human dignity, it’s pornographers. People who engage in producing “pornography” because they find it gratifying or exciting is very different(to me, I respect this is your space and you probably have a different standard) from people using sex and sexuality to make money.
One is predatory, and one simply isn’t. It’s money that darkens sex. HBO, is dabbling with, I guess the world would by pornographery in GOT and it’s just not for me.
I hope my perspective is welcome here, I thought it was a very interesting conversation and I hope I’m able to participate.
Hi, Matthew, thank you for joining the conversation in a respectful manner. I really appreciate the ability to discuss with those who have different view points but can converse respectfully. HATS OFF TO YOU!!
I find this to be looked at very differently by men and women. Some of that is, I believe, a God-created difference between men and women and their thought processes. My contribution will be from the female point of view. :)
First, I have never watched this show, and in fact have heard very little about it. I am an outdoors person who also works in a million different places doing bookwork/payroll, managing people, volunteering at an animal shelter, tutoring, etc., so I don’t have a lot of water cooler time. I am not a fan of TV in general just because I find most of it to produces mental shut downs as opposed to anything helpful.
But sex is a very powerful, powerful thing. Men have killed because another slept with someone they loved. Marriages have ended in divorce, or even violence, solely because of sex and all that is connected to it, emotionally, mentally, physically.. Men throughout history have taken it simply because they wanted it with not a single care for the results to the woman. Please, do not take this wrongly. I do not hate men, and I do not think all men are pigs. But some definitely are. Guys themselves say that often.
I see your point that money makes a big difference, and I think to a degree you are right. But I don’t think that is the only difference. Do you? It must be much more than money alone that has the ability to make so many women feel degraded and and so many men believe a connection that can bring them incredible pleasure and thoughts is not worth knowing even the name of the that which was used to give them pleasure. There is no care of how one-time actions may and indeed often do have adverse consequences to the woman. I do wish this conversation could be face to face in a group setting as then you could hear the true inquiry in my tone and the total lack of accusation, etc.
Again, thank you for the respectful discussion. I think it is an interesting attempt to an ages-old debate. Your participation is truly appreciated.
Thank “God” you guys, the fanatic believers of religions, don’t rule over the world so that the rest of us are safe from your nonsense and non-logical thinking.
By making the sex scenes in the show more relevant than they actually are -the show isn’t anywhere near to be about sex- you are the one giving it more importance than it has, not the makers of the show, less the viewers. Following this kind of logic, a simple joke could easily lead to the conviction of someone, all justified by the beliefs one could have, which in the case of fanatic religious people would be their god. (Look at Charlie Hebdo, the kind of thing that happens when one’s actions feel justified). Are you that obsessed about sex that you are making it bigger than it is in the show? As a one last thing, I’d say that human dignity and religion are far from going together.
Have a good day!
I agree with the premise that Game of Thrones is basically pornography.
I read the entire article, and would suggest that characterizing unbelievers as “double-minded” isn’t in tune with Scripture. The pagan, unregenerate minds of men are unilaterally at enmity with God. Such minds are under a deception.
Conversely, Scripture does not (to my knowledge) characterize the Christian mind as deceived, but it does refer to double-mindedness in believers.
It seems to me that Psychology has done more to inform the article and the argument than Scripture. I think the author and publisher could do better….
Hello, Ron – thank you, I believe you are correct. Your clarification on what James seems to be saying with his use of the word in Scripture does seem to align with your comment.
Best, Chris
First, let me redefine pornography for you. This is the MIller Test created by the Supreme Court to define whether something is “Obscene” or pornographic.
Miller Test
Supreme Court test for determining whether material is obscene
To the average person, applying contemporary community standards as established by the relevant state, the work, taken as a whole (not just isolated passages), appeals to the prurient (sexual) interest;
The work depicts in an offensive way sexual conduct specifically defined by the state law
The work lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.
Note, if the work is a serious work of art, in this case film (and literature since it started as a book) it cannot be considered obscene or pornographic. Also note the point of the work taken as a whole, not just isolated passages (or scenes) which is what this pastor is doing…cherry picking scenes and calling the whole work porn.
Now, why is this dangerous? Well, first, we don’t want art to be banned or regulated to the degree that obscene or pornographic material is. You can regulate the audience, by giving it a rating or warnings as HBO does, but you can’t ban it.
Why else is this dangerous? Because real porn, especially porn movies involve people who are often the victims of sexual trafficking, drug addicts, and even single moms. Many of these people get involved in this industry because they are not free to make the choice either because they are literally a slave, or because of circumstances. Linda Lovelace, who starred in Deep Throat, claimed she was forced to participate in that film. If she was, we are watching her real rape over and over again and that is horrifying. Additionally, though, even if she wasn’t forced at gunpoint, the circumstances for many of these women who were victims of sexual molestation and rape at an early age, means that much of their free will has been taken, and so we are still watching them be victimized when we watch porn.
Game of Thrones Actresses are not being forced into these scenes. They are not actually engaging in sex, although sex is being simulated and they are naked. But they have agency. And, again, the scenes are isolated from the whole. The portrayal of these acts is less to sell sex (although I’m sure that is a part of it) but to show an accurate portrayal of women in this “time period”. So if we lump Game of Thrones in with “porn” we fail to note these important distinctions.
So, what should we say. We can either say I prefer not to watch a movie or series with that much sex, nudity, profanity, and/or graphic violence because I find these things distasteful or offensive, or we can watch them. But we cannot and should not make claims about them that are untrue. The show is not porn. To say it is is being both dishonest and disrespectful to the real women “forced” to be a part of the real sex industry that is pornography and prostitution.
Amanda, as believers, our standard of right and wrong is not the supreme court. It is God and the Bible. I do realize from your comment that you are likely not a believer, and the supreme court’s opinion on porn is certainly interesting, but it isn’t the Authority by which we live our lives.
I agree, Have you read Romans 3:23? We are all totally depraved and your condescending self-righteous pseudo-intellectualism is the symptom of yours, friend. Have a nice day!
Hi all.
Thank you, Noah, for this article. I admire your ability to defend your case with reason but gentleness, and in total conviction with what you believe. I just want to leave one addition to this conversation. Women, too, struggle with porn. I recognize that there is not enough research to understand how it affects our brains compared to men’s, but it is a fact that I can attest to personally. I aim to not lust over a man’s body that is portrayed on screen, just as you explain that you aim to stay away from a scene in media that would tempt you to do the same with a woman’s body. I say this because I’m sure there are men out there who have felt that their only worth was in their appearance, or that filming pornongraphy reduced them to a buff money-maker. This is only my gut feeling, I don’t have any to support that statement. I say this because I strongly believe that just as much as there needs to be a revolution in the porn culture for men who view, there’s also a great need for a revolution among women who view. And I believe that Jesus offers ample grace for us all.
Thank you, again, for speaking with honesty and the truth of the Gospel into this issue. I hope I didn’t come across as criticizing, I only want to further support your article and ministry. Keep doing what you’re doing, I know that God is revealing his grace to porn addicts, because he did so to me.
With love,
One girl among many
Yes and no. If your delight is waiting for a sex scene, your time would be better spent watching a million other things. You have to watch a LOT of GoT to come upon a sex scene. I’ve watched 6 seasons and I can remember four sex scenes and one suggested. So crucify me but as a woman, whenever these are on, I feel like I’m peeping into somebody’s bedroom window and like a little kid, I cover my eyes, wait for it to be over and curse the producers for putting that crap in there. It’s such a great story that every one of those scenes is SO unnecessary!! Nobody REALLY watches it for the story line??????? PUH LEEZ!! DRAGONS for crying out loud!! Deceit and revenge and secrets and bad guys who are gonna get their comeuppance…mysteries to be solved…what is Sam going to find living with the masters? When is someone going to remember that there’s a whole stash of dragonglass North of the wall? Who and what is this ‘god’ of the lady in red?? Who’s going to ride the 3 dragons since they will probably be a major weapon against the white walkers? My money is on Daenery, of course, and Tyrion since he sat down and cried when he was a child when he learned that the dragons were all dead, and, I suppose Bran’s younger brother because Bran will be all incorporated into the white trees, I think. Mostly a male audience waiting for a glimpse of Daenery’s naked top? Geez…there’s enough going on the world (in the church) to rail against without TRYING to swim upstream in so called righteousness.
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The New Big Four of HBO, Showtime, Netflix, and Amazon Prime set the standards for entertainment today, sadly. No worries about advertisers, theater officials, or censors mean Hollywood can air anything that is NC-17 rated or worse on the New Big Four, and it shows.
While Hollywood laments its record-low movie attendance figures, they know the money is made via New Big Four television since they have no censors to worry offending, so they make these shows NC-17 or worse intentionally.
as a gay woman, I feel excluded from this conversation. I too only look at Daenerys’ body. Discuss
I am truly relieved to find such a criticizing article and the porn tagging to GoT. GoT aside, american culture has become a sex culture and sex culture. I don’t want to generalize this claim to the western (European) culture. Sex & nudity is not the main driving force in Europe but in United States of America, it is.
Even though my claim or assertion about “american culture = sex culture” may seem vague or insubstantial, there shouldn’t be any disagreement about my next concise claim. Is a burger some ketchup with a meat patty? No, it is the other way around. It is a meat patty with some ketchup (and burger bread or bun). Do you see it now? Is GoT a fictional and historical tv series that includes a large amount of sexual material? No. Instead, GoT is an erotic, pornographic, +18 audience tv series that includes some historical fiction.
You must understand what I’m arguing here. I’m not against sexual (erotic or pornographic) content in the media but the deceptive and immoral presentation or advertisement of it. As long as GoT recieves a “porn” or “erotic” or “+18 adult content” stamp on it, I’m fine with that series. While I’m deeply disturbed by GoT’s all sex nature and content without any porn, erotic or +18 tag on it and I also admit that human GoT hurts human morals & dignity very very severly, I do not put porn and human dignity on opposite sides; i.e., an individual can live virtuously and die with dignity while accessing to erotic or pornographic material in his or her life.
Like the author of this article however, I’m very sensitive about sexual content in movies. Action, horror, thriller or whatever movies with some nudity (no matter how small) become cheaper, less artistic and annoyingly deceptive. The line between art and pornography is very thin. E.g., watch the sexy butt of “Elizabeth Olsen” on Wind River even though not naked but causally exposed which has nothing to do with the movie. She is the sex babe, the Megan Fox on the movie who has proudly served to the sex (american) culture.
My favorite movies, Batman The Dark Knight, Max Payne, Ip Man 2, Hobbit 1, … What’s so special about them? They are packed with a lot of excellence (immersive and unpredictable storyline, great character or hero) but also they are totally cleansed from cheap nudity.
Thank you so much for this article. I have struggled with explaining to my husband why it bothers me when we watch TV shows and movies with sex and nudity. We have watched many TV series over the 8 years we have been together and we do get pulled in by the plot or even our favorite actors starring in it. In most cases, eventually the show would contain many scenes with either practically naked women or fully nude women and sex scenes. I personally feel so uncomfortable that I look away. I’ve always been this way. I’ve tried telling my husband how I feel and why it bothers me but all he says is he doesn’t watch it for the nudity, sex, etc. He compliments me and gives me every reassurance of his faithfulness, love, affection and attraction to me. But he still watches the show. Game of Thrones was one show I purposely tried to avoid watching for years. During my pregnancy last year, I was pregnant with our 5th child and had major morning sickness, so a lot of free time was spent watching TV and that’s when Game of Thrones began. It was most definitely the worst time to watch it too. I was already experiencing self esteem issues as is, then to have all my free time with my husband be spent watching that- it was really rough. There was one scene that bothered me so badly, I walked away and cried in the bathroom. Another thing that makes it hard for me is I am a victim of sexual assault. It makes all my insecurities 10x’s worse than ever before. Not to mention watching scenes with rape in them are just awful. Now my husband has started binge-watching ‘Total Divas’ and I’m a mess. Our whole family loves WWE and we watch it every week. That’s fine, but seeing my husband watching a show marketed to women about super gorgeous athletes/celebrities who show lots of clevage and hardly wear any clothes is very hard for me. I’ve tried talking to him about it and all he says is the guys are in it too and it’s not that bad. He’s on season 6 already and in the episode he was watching this morning, 2 girls are wearing thong swinsuits and recreating baywatch scenes for their husbands. So I started season 1 today when he went to work and by the 3rd episode I wanted to cry. Two of the women are in a shop trying on underwear! This drives me nuts because this is a show my husband watches constantly by himself. It’s not a show we are watching together. He works full time and overtime, he is hardly home and any spare moment he has, he is glued to this show. I know without a doubt my husband does love me and is attracted to me, that I know for sure. He tells me and shows me daily. That’s why this hurts so much. I don’t know what to do or how to get him to understand my point of view. I guess it just comes down to wishing he respected my feelings and out of that respect and love for me, he would stop watching this show. It’s making me feel like a whale besides these women and completely unattractive. I already struggle with intimacy issues due to the assault. I struggle even more so because of shows and movies loaded with this content. It doesn’t make me feel like being intimate. I am extremely fearful of being compare to what is on TV or him picturing someone else. I really do believe the best thing to do is to avoid watching things with this content all together. It causes more harm than good otherwise.
Hey Nicki,
This sounds like a boundaries issue to me. It sounds like your husband is rationalizing rather than listening to your concerns and why certain content is painful for you. At some point, it really does become what you are willing to live with or not. Here, here, and here are some articles on boundaries that might help as you think things through. This article from The Gottman Institute is interesting as well, as it addresses the impact to relationships rather than parsing out what’s porn or not porn. Hopefully there’s something in those resources that helps you chart a way forward. Bottom line is that you should live in relationships that treat you with value and respect in every way. If that’s not happening, then change must be made, and we are only responsible for ourselves and our own choices. We can’t force others, but we can choose for ourselves. Peace to you, Kay
Hi Nicki,
I am so sorry to read your comment and could barely get through it because I was reliving my own pain. I think there are SO many women who feel exactly the way we do and most chose to suffer in silence. One reason I feel we see so many resentful wives with self-esteem and emotional eating issues. Men just don’t hear, many of them, unless they are more highly evolved and on a spiritual path. It is not your issue but your husband’s issue that is causing you harm. My ex boyfriend did this to me for 3 years. I set a boundary by asking him not to watch things like this in my presence, then not when I was home and because he didn’t respect this I found myself isolating in the bedroom to avoid seeing him watching other women on TV all the time. Then I kicked him out and I’m much happier and I’m sure he will find a new woman to try and destroy. I am so sorry for what you are going through. Stay strong and you may have to be prepared to leave to save your self-esteem. Men like this rarely change. Be blessed and know you are beautiful.
Thank you for taking te time to write about this in such a truthful and intelligent manner. Very well written, no punches pulled but still full of love and respect for the people caught up in this addiction.
Isn’t a Christian better off not bothering with watching TV or movies? Time spent in real-life interaction with others is totally meaningful, while watching fake life holds no meaning except degradation of character.
I’m appalled at my generation. I’m a 35 (nearly 36 yr old) woman (who most people think is 23 hahaha), and I can not believe the downright lowliness of what we allow ourselves to watch on television. TV-MA is what really did it. I said to someone, “Mark my words, now that this TV-MA is the new thing, it’s going to go downhill real fast…” Boy did it EVER… most R rated films have glimpses of nudity, occasionally, a strip club or a sex scene that’s over the top (I don’t watch those either btw) but TV-MA is straight up an excuse now days to just show pornography.
I see so many people in this thread defending it. I see comments that say, “it’s just boobs” … no, sweetheart, it’s not. Even the guides (IMDB, parents, etc) say “STRONG sexual content, and GRAPHIC nudity…” There are plenty of other sequences with male full frontal nudity, and other sequences of just downright sick going on. Rape, incest, incestrape… Come on… What are you TELLING yourself to allow yourself to watch this garbage? Watch another fantasy show without ALL of this!
It’s utterly disgusting. Americans are OBSESSED with sex, and everyone wants to know why their husbands are addicted to porn secretly, and why their sex lives are so unfulfilling. This is it right here… the glorification of sickness.
Please don’t get me wrong on this front… I’m a writer, and it’s not the STORY that are disturbing. There are rapes and incest relationships in the bible. It’s the CONTENT. You can show these things without glorifying them. You can show these scenes without making them pornographic. I’ve seen many scenes in film that were tasteful, but still left you feeling disgusting because of the way the characters were treated.
And to the people saying that the violence is just as bad. Maybe for small children this is understandable, but as someone who has been an actress for many years (yes, I’m a writer/ actress), let me essplain a thing… Hollywood doesn’t NEED to show nudity… It’s acting. Violence might be frightening but it’s all pretend. We KNOW so and so didn’t lob off so and so’s head for real. It’s all effects. The sex and NUDITY, however? Not.
You can PRETEND to kill someone. You can’t PRETEND to be naked and aroused, if you’re naked and aroused, you’re naked and aroused. I hear people who’ve never been in the acting business say all the time, “Oh, it’s just acting…” REALLY? Would you want your spouse to be nude against some man/ woman? It’s actually pretty real.
This generation needs to get its act together and stop glorifying perverted things.
God is watching, He knows, and you WILL answer for your heart if not your actions.
A couple things here. 1. I have never once watched one single episode of Game of Thrones. 2. I did read this article and many of the comments in the comment section. I found it remarkable what people will justify for the sake of good story telling, or this case a good TV show. One of the comments I read conveyed some frustration that the author isn’t as upset about the violence as he was the nudity and sex. Maybe he is but that’s not what this article is about. I know there are families in our church who watch it, kids in our youth group too and some seem very desensitized to it. That to me seems like a problem. I’ve had similar conversations about Fifty Shades of Grey and the popular video game Grand Theft Auto. I know there are many others that depict sex and violence in some sort of “romanticized” way. Where do we draw the line? Isn’t the Bible filled with violence and sex? You can argue with me I guess but I think there is a difference between seeing the Hulk smash a giant make believe alien (which could be construed as violence) and watching a simulated sex or rape scene between two adults. Ephesians 5:8–12 (NIV)
For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) and find out what pleases the Lord. Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. It is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret.
I think the authors stance on the matter is valid, however, the author ignores the historical timeframe from which this series is based. The reality is that these things happened. Brothels existed, women were raped, homosexuality was present, sex was a prize of battle for many beyond gold. The series is successful for the historical accuracy as well as the fantasy that existed at the time. While the author calls this “porn” isn’t surprising as he compares the SI swimsuit edition as such. Take an painting or sculpture from the same time do the author believe this is porn? Curious to hear his response.
This post troubles me because it’s not only misleading about the content of Game of Thrones, but it labels something as porn when it clearly is not. The foundation of your argument is incorrect, and that incorrect foundation is that nudity is always pornography.
This is simply logically not true, there are many instances in which we would all agree that nudity being shown is not pornography. For instance, when a mother is in public and brings out her breast in full view of the public in order to feed her child, we would not call that pornography. Why? Is it because her actions are natural? Nonsense. Sex is natural yet you claim that two naked people having sex on the TV is pornography. No, we conclude that a mother breast feeding in public is not pornography because of the context in which the nudity is occurring. Public breast feeding is in the context of caring for a child, and so we do not consider it pornographic. So this equivocation of nudity to being pornography is simply inconsistent and not factual.
Pornography is defined in Webster’s Dictionary as: “the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement.”
The nudity in Games of Thrones does not fit the definition of pornography, because it is not in the show with the intention to cause sexual arousal. Because it fails this test of definition, a test that is critical in being intellectually honest in our analysis of the world around us, the nudity in Game of Thrones is art in the same way that nudity in painting and sculptures during the Renaissance were art—not existing with the intention of creating sexual arousal.
Beginning from an incorrect definition of pornography leads you down a road of exaggeration, clumsy thinking, settling for the low hanging fruit of hyperbole, mischaracterizing Game of Thrones, and in the end writing an article that is not disciplined in it’s thinking nor is it honest in it’s presentation. This is troubling because you have influence over other believers as a leader in an area in which many men struggle, and so you have a responsibility to be disciplined, accurate, and truthful in your analysis of the world around you.
When we as the Church exaggerate, overreact, and are not truthful in how we analyze things in the world then we hurt our witness to a dark and dead world. It sows distrust between us and the world we’re trying to reach. It is vitally important that we are disciplined, measured, thoughtful, and truthful in our analysis of the world around us. This article and many like it are not truthful, disciplined, thoughtful, and measured in it’s analysis. It is instead intellectually clumsy, exaggerates, settles for the low hanging fruit of hyperbole, and simply isn’t honest in it’s analysis.
Taking issue with nudity in shows and movies as not being healthy or wise is Biblical and should be discussed—having thoughtful discussions about the context as well, but calling something pornography when it is not only serves to make Christianity appear unnecessarily foolish and not trustworthy in the eyes of the lost.
It just hurts our witness, in the same way that calling Harry Potter Satanic witchcraft draws a collective eye-rolling. We need to be truthful, thoughtful, and disciplined in our analysis, not give into exaggeration and hyperbole.
At some point the Church and the world will clash on the topic of content in our entertainment because the darkness hates the light, but let that clash happen over truth and not exaggeration.
Praise God, someone has a right mind and heart of integrity!
Me as a muslim wouldn’t accept such a show because god tells us to lower our gaze and guard our chasity , i’m really sad because a guy who is proposing to me is watching such a show i’m disappointed and sometimes I feel I want to end everything, but I love him and i’m really hoing and trusting allah to fill my heart and my man’s heart with his love, and may allah make Saif hate sins, hate porn, hate anything bad.
I told Saif that if we want to continue you must promise me to obey Allah an lower your gaze,and never watch nudity, sex, he said ok, but he wants to keep watching the series but skip the sex parts, i’m not happy with that entirely, because I want him to see how bad and sinful is the whole show , our hearts must remain pure😟 oh allah please help me
Thank you for writing this article, Noah. You make a really good point!